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    I'm Nelly GOURVES , I work for the CINELA company since nearly two years now.
    I used to be a sound mixer , i was also one of the fouding members of a sound equipments (for film, video and TV production) rental company that i left to join the CINELA company .

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  1. Martin, maybe Wandering Ear gives the exact reason (I don't know) but he's also convinced that rumbles may affect something in the input section. Generally, handheld microphones are compensated for proximity effect, so it naturally filters low frequencies...a lot. Pressure microphones (omnidirectional) also have a much lower sensitivity to low frequency rumbles. 4017C (or 4018, 4011) gives a lot of rumbles, but other well-known "pressure-gradient" mikes are sooo sensitive (CCM8, MKH8040/50) If you happen to make a test with B preamp or even C preamp + LC60, tell me about the result ! Philippe
  2. Martin, all I can say is: what I hear and know let me think about a hard rumble issue, but maybe I'm wrong of course. The 4017C is well known to provide a high level of rumble that needs to be filtered. About Nomad, I had a look at characteristics (documentation) and I only found values of fcy cutoff but no indication of slope. It's also very difficult to know if filters are close to inputs or far away on the chain. On my opinion, most robust microphone filters are very close to inputs, analog and high slope. A handheld mike doesn't have that high rumble level. What do you call the "Cub" ? Sanken one ? The CUB-01 has a real filtering below 100Hz. Another explanation could be the input impedance of the Nomad: around 1kohms which can be considered a bit low for some microphones in front of hard signals (rumbles). In fact I would be interested to know how your 4017+Nomad would behave with the B preamp. Or 4017C + LC60 + Nomad, or ???MiniCMIT ! Good luck in your investigations !
  3. Martin, what I can hear on your recordings let me definitely think about a pb related to low rumbles. I don't know so much about the Nomad but I wouldn't be surprised if the HP filters (low slope ??) may be far away after the input in the audio chain. The very first stage may be affected by these rumbles. You need to try with a high slope filter between the 4017C and the Nomad input (Schoeps LC60). The other way would be to try with a B preamp that integrates a hidden 50Hz +18dB/oct (not speaking about the ring filters). If possible you can also try with the new MiniCMIT which integrates a fantastic +24dB/oct 70Hz. Good luck !
  4. Martin, I totally understand that it is not a rumble noise, but you are speaking about a noise that occurs with two different mikes when you bump the body. This can be a case where the very high amplitude of the rumble can affect preamps, limiters, transmitters, etc... Let me join Philip's answer: does it occur with other systems ? any kind ?
  5. Martin, did you check out the very low frequency influence ? With bumps or simple movements, many microphones like the DPA 4017C generates these low rumbles that can affect different kinds of electronic circuits or even transmitters. In what equipment do you plug your mikes ? I would personally try a high slope filter like the Schoeps LC60 (or equivalent) between the mike and anything else ! Just to say....
  6. Dear Derek and VAS, I think you, both, simply express the very hard compromise everyone has to choose and accept. Derek: we would love to make a smaller basket, but efficiency may decrease very quickly as the size decrease. Let's see what we will do "smaller" in the future, but this will be another level of performance. VAS: very good idea to make this comparison. we'll certainly do it in the next measurement session. Anyway, the MiniCMIT may be considered a bit "lost" in the large Piano volume ! We, manufacturers, are completely stressed between size, weight and efficiency !
  7. Dear users, the awaited Schoeps MiniCMIT is there...and fits perfectly in the PIANISSIMO windshield ! Here are the links to appreciate the wind test comparison with the well known CMIT in PIANO: www.facebook.com/pages/Cinela/1471314373154513 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpeDd-Bz-Yk Good luck for this new Blue ! P.Chenevez CINELA
  8. ...not to forget that the SuperCMIT process is a very specific algorithm using two signals (the main capsule and the extra rear one). The goal is first to cancel the diffuse field (opposed to the direct one) which is totally not the concept of the DNS-2 ! A large group of far away cicadas can effectively create such a diffuse field...but cicadas are cicadas. Just remember the horrible vuvuzelas in South Africa world football cup: the very first 50 SuperCMIT microphones were very promising...but vuvuzelas are vuvuzelas !
  9. Tyler, you'll miss us. What a great story with our young company Cinela. You were one of the first, 10 years ago. Our session in Toronto (2013) has been a wonderful experience. Thank you. Many wishes for your new job and life ! Philippe and Nelly
  10. Hi everyone, specially from LA or around. if someone can help about this stolen equipment (full list in the PDF attached). It's a complete sound cart ! it occured during the night 2nd/3rd september in the Los Angeles area... Thank you for our friend sound mixer "Madone" and our partner company DC AUDIO in Paris (rental). Philippe 1 MULTICOUPLER OCTOPACK + ANTENNA ALP 650 # 10221/951-754 1 RF receiver AUDIO LTD DX # 808605 1/2 1 RF receiver AUDIO LTD DX # 014083 2 RF transmitters SENNHEISER SK 2000 # SK-123440 1 recorder ZAXCOM DEVA 5.8 # 20214 1 accessory for Audio Ltd: VDB L-48V 1 lithium Battery IDX NPS/N 2 Time Code Generator DENECKE SB-T # SB-TO493/94 4 Receivers kit WISYCOM MCR42 # 02451747/45/40/49 1 Wind screen SCHOEPS B20/W20 1 Mixer SONOSAX SX ST8D # 4330044 1 RF receiver AUDIO LTD DX # 911428-5/6 1 Microphone SENNHEISER MKH60 # 27113 1 Microphone BEYERDINAMIC M88 # 35702 1 power stationDCA PMI # P105 1 Battery DCA 12V-12A S/N 2 Microphones SCHOEPS CMIT # 3906 & 1746 3 Mikes SCHOEPS CMC 6 # 16929-17921-24068 1 Mike SCHOEPS CMC 6 # 39064 2 Capsules SCHOEPS MK4 & MK41 # 56681 & 80487 2 capsules SCHOEPS MK4 # 64425-70603 1 capsule SCHOEPS MK41 # 94655 1 capsule microphone DANISH PRO AUDIO # DPA 4080 S/N 1 SENNEHEISER headset HD 25 1 Windscreen SCHOEPS B20/W20 1 Windscreen CINELA ALBERT TRI-CCM 1 Windscreen SCHOEPS B5D ("Pavarotti") 1 DCA blue preamp 1 Magic arm Manfrotto 1 Trolley DCA 1 Kit of cables MissingSoundEquipment.pdf
  11. Dear Dan, this is Philippe from Cinela. I thought my answer would interest other users. If possible, the best would be that you send us a little wav file of the problem. All noises are curable quite simply. What you describe let me think of a possible unscrewing of an isolator arm (the extremity may rotate back and forth with movements and the friction create the noise). In the other hand, if you feel a real low rumble, then what about filtering ? As it is important to remind it very often, the best would be to use a 50/70Hz 3rd order (+18dB/oct). With a 2nd order only (+12dB/oct), you may have too much rumble and/or too much filtering ! Please let me know ! Something else about the Pianissimo winner of the JW raffle in LV: Phil Palmer (CAS) made it ! For some bad reasons, the package was not there at the raffle, but Phil will have his Pianissimo very soon ! Philippe
  12. Good idea ! Anyway...few things: - The filter has to deal with the 48V and needs to take enough power (current & voltage) to work correctly. Many microphones accept it but many microphones do not ! Difficult to make a "one fits all". - Few widely used microphones already integrate such a filter (CMIT, 4017B...) and this may be true for newer models... - Same for mixers (Aeta Mixy, some SD models, arriving Cantar X3...) Not so easy, but thank you for the hint !
  13. Comparing B and C versions (4017 or other mike ref.), here is an analyse useful for our basic job at Cinela. One main effect of a (good !) suspension or suspended windshield is to create a full set of resonances between 6 and 20 Hz. Amplitudes of these mechanical rumbles can be very important as everyone knows. Yes, this is an inconvenient but this is first a respectable price to pay to achieve a good isolation in the audible range. The user NEEDS to filter those rumbles to get the highest benefit of the microphone quality in a regular boom job. B preamp integrates a very nice 50Hz filter with high slope which is perfect for said rumbles. This is NOT the ring controlled filter. It is an integrated one. C preamp does not integrate such a filter and offers a very nice free low end...and very low end. Regarding that exclusive aspect, one has to choose B or C in front of other filtering options. If your audio chain integrates a high slope filter (50/70Hz +18dB/oct is perfect), then you can freely use the C version. If you only have a 1st or 2nd order filter (+6 or +12dB/oct), then B version seems to be more necessary. All "in between" situations leads to some compromise...as usual. The B version has also the advantage of a longer size at the back which is very helpful for indoor suspension (more distance between isolators let the use of softer isolators). Regarding wind, I would say that if the signal is properly filtered and microphone identically protected, then B or C version should be equivalent. P.Chenevez
  14. Sorry for confusion. We hope that things will get clearer with time. If you look at our Facebook page (Cinela), you'll see the very first picture of the "New" Osix range with elliptical isolators. You'll see the detachable "suspension module" that could be shared (for proper mikes) with Piano and Pianissimo. A simple knob and a strap to unmount/mount everything. A little while and all dealers will be informed with references and prices !
  15. To all recent: The word "suspension" may be used for several things... To be simple: an "OSIX" is a suspension including swivel and cable (mainly for indoor and light winds outoors). About the cradle and isolators, we will now talk about "OSIX modules" or "suspension modules" that will be shared between Pianissimo, Piano and this new Osix range (pictures...soon). First tests with serial units (made today) are great ! We just have to define all charts and correspondances. About boxes: All OSIX are sold with a very useful box (with some few exceptions). The nice Pianissimo shell is a test of this concept. Let's see if we'll do that for Piano after a while of experience.