Ray Collins Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 http://www.moviemaker.com/directing/article/ed_burns_newlyweds_self_distribution_20120202/ Maybe you and I should learn to operate a camera. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engaudio Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Maybe you and I should learn to operate a camera. ;-) Been there, done that.. Regards, Grant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toy Robot Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 So if you can offer an actor or a crew member a project that they care about, that’s how you get talent to show up and work for peanuts. More and more people are going to see this as a viable alternative to how we’ve been told we’re supposed to make movies. There is so much wrong with this viewpoint I am speechless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Wexler Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Realistically, one of the more primary aspects of a project that makes me "care" about it is that they will pay me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 I believe prostitutes have a similar business plan. "You pay me, I love you long time" Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael McQueen Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 and also, who would want to work for that guy? sounds like he sacrifices quality, wants cheap/free labor(subway tuna even?) and then rakes in the money after the fact. it didn't say in the article if he offers deferred payment, i doubt he does... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmahaAudio Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 I don't see this as a problem if nobody is making money up front and everyone involved gets a decent cut if any profit is made. It's nothing more than people making an investment (time, equipment, skills, talent) and getting a return. The height of Capitalism actually. If the returns aren't distributed fairly then it sucks. There used to be a thing called Junior Achivement (it's probably still around) and we'd form a "company", sell shares, make and distribute a product and then make a profit (or a loss) and we did this when I was in 8th grade... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 I don't see this as a problem if nobody is making money up front and everyone involved gets a decent cut if any profit is made. It's nothing more than people making an investment (time, equipment, skills, talent) and getting a return. The height of Capitalism actually. If the returns aren't distributed fairly then it sucks. There used to be a thing called Junior Achivement (it's probably still around) and we'd form a "company", sell shares, make and distribute a product and then make a profit (or a loss) and we did this when I was in 8th grade... That concept works fine if you can commit to X number of days with out an income. Personally I don't want to invest in "your" project nor do I want to be your business partner. I don't do what I do for "The Love of The Game" it's not personal, it's business. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelo Waldron Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 That's right. Be a prostitute, not a slut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPSharman Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Although I believe in getting a fair wage, if I am presented with a great script and I have confidence that the people involved will not screw it up, and I believe there is a realistic possibility the movie can become successful, I would be willing to "invest" in the project. (None of the above has ever happened). What would I expect in return for my share? Retroactive payment of the Basic Agreement IATSE 695 daily scale and a fair equipment rental. This is how the Low Budget Theatrical Agreement should be set up. The crew should be investors and should be paid first dollar up to full union scale if or when the movie is successful. It's simple enough. A keystroke at the payroll company. It gets done when shows go over budget. Actors are given "producer" credit and are paid after the fact, therefore keeping the budget under the threshold. Why aren't we offered the same arrangement. The movie can be made for the same money it is now. If it's not sold or distribulted, we all go on our merry way. If it is sold or distributed, then we are paid. Done! Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Watts Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 I just watched the trailer to The Ed Burns film they're referring to "Newlyweds".... And not surprisingly, It sounds terrible. Apparently they did not have a sound mixer at all and "Just used Lav mics".. Surely this has to be a anomaly in the professional world, it just sounds terrible and is an unpleasant experience to watch. Will the masses consume something like this and not notice!? errgh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordi Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 "the masses" consume massive amounts of commercial music that is compressed to the point of being a square waveform, and listens to it on shitty ear buds that are turned up too high so that they are ruining their hearing while listening to something that has no low end to speak of. "the masses" also for some reason voluntarily choose to watch shows like "Whitney" or "Parks and Recreation" (coincidentally both on NBC) when they are utterly devoid of good writing. I think with that rousing review of "the masses" ability to choose good products... we are doomed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Flores Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Good sound is hardly ever noticed, but bad sound usually always is. You wouldn't have a PA do a root canal for you? One gets what one pays for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Rose Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Amazingly, and even though we know this to be true (that you have to pay for good work), and even though the industry has survived for almost a century on that principle... Someone always decides he's smarter than everybody else, can buck the system, turn out a terrific film for no money (like there aren't enough people in Hollywood trying that already)... which will magically become a success and turn them into a top producer / director working in that same system they're smarter than! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 That's right. Be a prostitute, not a slut. If they don't pay for they don't appreciate it. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Popp Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Wow that trailer sounded horrible. The majority sounded like the camera mic off of the 5D. The audio that didn't sounded like horribly placed lavalieres... I'm leaving the business - is Starbucks hiring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 No, but the Subway in my neighborhood needs a night manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ontariosound Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Well if his thin, nasaly and arrogant voice were not enough we now find out that Ed Burns is even more of a cheapskate than we thought. The only thing left to enjoy is his sleepwalking approach to acting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPSharman Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 That trailer looked and sounded fine on my iPhone, which I'm guessing is how most people will watch it. But for "real" movies, I hope we will all continue to try to do better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vesterskov Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Wow, that trailer was pretty bad. 75% ambience, 25% content. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Reilly Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Doesn't sound like on camera mic to me. Maybe the echoey hallway scene. Did sound like lavs running a bit hot against limiters, giving that newsy on location/reality show sound. But dialog was clear and no clothes rustle...surprising for 1 person crew and talent moving around...of course, the full movie might have really rough spots that didn't make it into the trailer. But I watched it a couple times and didn't really get the real point of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 " Ed Burns is even more of a cheapskate than we thought. " The $$$ he doesn't spend on the production, he keeps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccsnd Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 there are 3 questions I ask when someone calls me for a gig. 1 - what is the rate 2 - what is the schedule like (daily and shooting) 3 - what are the other major details of the project my general rule of thumb is - if they can't get through these questions without saying "This is a really great opportunity for you" I probably am not interested in the job. I think some people I talk to with these no budget projects tend to think im an ass, but the truth is I got tired of listening to people talk about their projects for a half hour only to find that it all comes down to me not getting paid. That is a waste of a half hour. Now these questions need to be answered first before I waste a bunch of my time which could better be spent playing Skyrim. If you can't answer these questions first, I already know the answer to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisH Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 there are 3 questions I ask when someone calls me for a gig. 1 - what is the rate 2 - what is the schedule like (daily and shooting) 3 - what are the other major details of the project my general rule of thumb is - if they can't get through these questions without saying "This is a really great opportunity for you" I probably am not interested in the job. I think some people I talk to with these no budget projects tend to think im an ass, but the truth is I got tired of listening to people talk about their projects for a half hour only to find that it all comes down to me not getting paid. That is a waste of a half hour. Now these questions need to be answered first before I waste a bunch of my time which could better be spent playing Skyrim. If you can't answer these questions first, I already know the answer to them. I agree, then there's those ones you think are alright and they turn out awful. I think I need to buy skyrim for when I'm done this show and not work for a minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Miramontes Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 I believe prostitutes have a similar business plan. "You pay me, I love you long time" Eric ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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