Wandering Ear Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 I know that the ops question was about the nomad being a no brainer, which for me it was. It's exactly the unit I was looking for. My suggestion is to seriously look at your needs at the moment and think about your wireless investment. Good wireless is essential for me, and in most of the work I do I could do a lot more with good wireless and lower end mixers and recorders than the other way around. That's just me and my jobs though. Yours will likely be different. http://wanderingear.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 Get a mixpre used :around $450. The resale value is good and you can upgrade later. You can get a mixpreD brandnew which is a 4 channel mixer and an audio interface. Sent from my HD7 T9292 using Board Express Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davideo Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 I have both a 302 and a Nomad 6, and I love them both. If I was renting, though, I sure wouldn't want to rent a Nomad unless I had plenty of time to learn how to use it first - it wasn't very intuitive (at least for me) to learn, and the manual is from the 2.61 version. BUT, I say the Nomad is a no brainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmahaAudio Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 Nomad 4 for a lot less... I'm seeing the 744T at $4100 and the Nomad 4 for $3900 so who's selling the Nomad for a lot less? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 I have always purchased gear instead of renting and now when I think about it I have saved a lot of money. Not to mention that I make money from renting my gear. Sent from my HD7 T9292 using Board Express Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Moore Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 I'm seeing the 744T at $4100 and the Nomad 4 for $3900 so who's selling the Nomad for a lot less? I believe when it originally debuted it was 3300, but then the prices quickly went up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 " if I were to make a Mac/PC analogy, "A Mac is a PC made by Apple Perhaps a MAC OS vs Windows analogy ?? " Most recorders these days mix, but not all mixers record. "I would say that some recorders also mix, but few mixers also record. " There is nothing intuitive about a 788T or 744T unless it was set up for you and you just need to press record. I found the Fostex machines *easier* to get running, but that's because they have 5000 external switches and dials, " My "film school" students have the same experiences of SD vs. Fostex As I read this thread, I keep thinking about SD 552... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 I'm seeing the 744T at $4100 and the Nomad 4 for $3900 so who's selling the Nomad for a lot less? I see. The price was raised. I got my nomad 6 for $4400. The nomad 4 was $3300. But still at $3900 the nomad 4 packs 6 pres 10 channel mixer with 6 outs. Not to mention all the nice perks like visual slate, extra 20db input and the amazing mixer matrix. I would say the nomad 4 has 3 times the I/O of 744t. Sent from my HD7 T9292 using Board Express Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 Oh and nomad has proper knobs. I have used the 744t without a mixer and while possible to get good results it was not a very comfortable workflow. Sent from my HD7 T9292 using Board Express Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanross Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 Oh and nomad has proper knobs. I have used the 744t without a mixer and while possible to get good results it was not a very comfortable workflow. Sent from my HD7 T9292 using Board Express I do agree with most of your points. But the 744 is far from done. It's still a great machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 Don't get me wrong the 744t is an amazing machine and it served me well for years. I am just saying the price is too much for what you get. Sound devices really have to impress this year at NAB because for every Nomad sold they loose market share and money. But that is the price they pay for loosing their monopoly status. Sent from my HD7 T9292 using Board Express Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spencer Moore Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 (Tangent) You know whats funny? The Aeta 4MinX predates the Nomad with most of the same features, but you never hear about it. I remember being very in love with the little Mixy when it was at PSS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanross Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 Don't get me wrong the 744t is an amazing machine and it served me well for years. I am just saying the price is too much for what you get. Sound devices really have to impress this year at NAB because for every Nomad sold they loose market share and money. But that is the price they pay for loosing their monopoly status. Sent from my HD7 T9292 using Board Express Yah you are right. Sound Devices is going to need to do some price dropping on all there mixers and recorders to compete. I'm interested to see what NAB will have. I was going to sell my 552 and get a Nomad but I'm just not sold on it yet. I have a Fusion that I love. Both are serving me well so need to change anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewFreedAudio Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 I had a 442/744t combo for quite a few years and it served me very well. It was a rock solid combo and money very well spent. I now have a Fusion 12 that I love and it integrates so well with the Zaxcom wireless and IFB system that I can't imagine switching to another system. I am pondering getting a Nomad 8 for bag work and leaving the Fusion for the cart. Just a thought. www.matthewfreed.com Production Sound Mixing for TV, Films, and Commercials Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 I don't think they need to worry about their mixers. The monopoly on mixers is not in danger. The mixpreD,302 are fair price and great devices. But the 552 is loosing traction. Sent from my HD7 T9292 using Board Express Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 " Sound Devices is going to need to do some price dropping " that will almost certainly not be what happens... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Spaeth Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 (Tangent) You know whats funny? The Aeta 4MinX predates the Nomad with most of the same features, but you never hear about it. I remember being very in love with the little Mixy when it was at PSS. Not really the same features, not really the same price range. Preamps - maybe even better in the 4Minx but the whole Nomad package is highly above the 4Minx package. Before I decided to buy a Nomad I looked at both 788 and 4Minx as well as the Tascam HS82 but the Nomad 8 package was the best deal for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanross Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 " Sound Devices is going to need to do some price dropping " that will almost certainly not be what happens... I know. But I can dream can't I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VM Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 The Aeta 4MinX predates the Nomad with most of the same features, but you never hear about it There's a review about 4minx here: http://www.sounddesi...aeta-4minx.html Seems good but there's "only" 4 mic level input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maplecap Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 Frank, I'm not sure where you are located, but there are nomads and SD products on display at audio houses. You might think about visiting a place and trying one out for yourself. There is a lot of hype that goes around about gear, and a lot of advertising. There is a big wide world of professional sound equipment out there. Explore it! I agree about past experience and preference/familiarity with different manufacturer's products being relevant. That's why I had also posted the same thing that you did here; it's not a no brainer until you play with it yourself and compare it to other options. My point, of course, was for the OP to get his hands on it first, if possible. Don't buy on hype. Just like test driving a car, he might not like the model that others are fawning over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denielle Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 Don't get me wrong the 744t is an amazing machine and it served me well for years. I am just saying the price is too much for what you get. I tend to agree. I loved my 744t for years, and the 702t before that. But, producers started telling me two years ago that my equipment was outdated. So, I upgraded to the Zaxcom Fusion. I am thinking of getting a Nomad this year, or perhaps another Fusion. The 788t is disappointing, to me (comparitively). It's metering and knob control leaves a lot to be desired. And, while the older models are still great... they are a bit pricey for equipment that is less desired by productions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denielle Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 I am still a big fan of the SD 442, and own one for single system shoots. My 302 (my first love) started getting sick, and needing repairs. I like the metering and knob control better on the 442, so I parted ways with the 302 and stuck with my 442. I think it is a great mixer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccsnd Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 What did your producer thing was new technology? The 744/788 is still a major part of the bag world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomboom Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 Just imagine for a moment telling a producer his budget is outdated... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denielle Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 The 744 is not the 788... I was told that four tracks was not sufficient anymore. The 788 is sufficient... I just find it to be disappointing. I do bag work with the Fusion, without complaint. I am considering the Nomad for bag work. At the time, the Nomad was not available. But, I love my Fusion... so, I have no complaints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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