saadasound Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 I mixed a pretty simple Under Armour spot last week, and while half the shoot was phantom flex footage of flame throwers, metal grinders and welders, the other half was interviews using 2 5D MK III... Which I have to say, put a little smile on my face. It now features 3 audio specific improvements that seem pretty good. 1. TIMECODE - it now has the ability to run as a master for TC... Unfortunately, not slave yet, but it proved helpful at some points... I didn't try to jam out of it to a slate yet, but I'm wondering if the headphone jack acts as a possible jam out. 2. Audio levels on main screen can be seen AND levels can be changed! I was running a G3 hop to the 5D and was actually able to set tone levels on the camera! The best part tho was the fact that you could see the VU (dbFS) on the actual main screen while filming. Great addition. 3. The headphone jack no longer acts as the mic input.. It now has its own mic input, although still 1/8 inch... But still an improvement... I think the impeovements are great, but still have the limitations that shooting on DSLR cameras bring to the table... Move in the right direction... So far... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cactuskid Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 How are the preamps? Are they the same? Did you run it like the 5dMKII and increase the AF out from the Sennheisers and drop the gain on the camera? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saadasound Posted April 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 I did exactly that.. Still really hot signal but worked well enough. Im pretty sure the preamps have improved, they sounded pretty good for DSLR. Gotta check the manual to be sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 I'm not sure the analog audio electronics were improved at all. It sounded exactly like a 5D to me. I also don't see how the meters onscreen help anyone but the shooter in a onemanband setup. You could set levels manually in the old 5D as well--as with the new one, same level for both channels. phil p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vesterskov Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 Did you use the "timecode" capability of the camera? I put it in quotes, because if you cant jam it, or jam from it, what is timecode worth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Martin Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 Seeing the level on the main screen definitely adds a layer of confidence. I can't tell you how many times the AC's have unplugged my cable in order to do a lens change or reconfigure their rig. Looking over their shoulder and seeing bouncing levels would be much easier than trying to look through the maze of cables, rods, accessories they have in their rigs to see if I am still plugged in. Did you use the "timecode" capability of the camera? I put it in quotes, because if you cant jam it, or jam from it, what is timecode worth? +1 maybe they can change this in a firmware update? Seems silly to me not to be able to do anything with the TC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Seeing the level on the main screen definitely adds a layer of confidence. I can't tell you how many times the AC's have unplugged my cable in order to do a lens change or reconfigure their rig. Looking over their shoulder and seeing bouncing levels would be much easier than trying to look through the maze of cables, rods, accessories they have in their rigs to see if I am still plugged in. +1 maybe they can change this in a firmware update? Seems silly to me not to be able to do anything with the TC. It's very unlikely to be a stable enough clock to hold sync for a long time, ie that could be jamsynced to a recorder and slate, and there is no way to connect a Lockit etc to it either. The TC is for convenience in post--it won't help re syncing with other cameras or an outboard recorder. For that a ref audio track is a better bet, still. phil p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrider Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 I will still treat DSLRs like film cameras and continue to operate double system. I am glad they are paying more attention to sound, but without major redesign, I think plugging up to these cameras is a waste of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProSound Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 I will still treat DSLRs like film cameras and continue to operate double system. I am glad they are paying more attention to sound, but without major redesign, I think plugging up to these cameras is a waste of time. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toy Robot Posted May 2, 2012 Report Share Posted May 2, 2012 I will still treat DSLRs like film cameras and continue to operate double system. I am glad they are paying more attention to sound, but without major redesign, I think plugging up to these cameras is a waste of time. Fully agree. I even go so far as to advise against scratch tracks for dailies since productions using these types of cameras often don't understand AGC and its negative consequences. I don't even want them to have the option to use on cam sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Futterman Posted May 3, 2012 Report Share Posted May 3, 2012 Fully agree. I even go so far as to advise against scratch tracks for dailies since productions using these types of cameras often don't understand AGC and its negative consequences. I don't even want them to have the option to use on cam sound. The last time I just used a comtek feed. Good enough for scratch, crappy enough to discourage camera audio use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 The last time I just used a comtek feed. Good enough for scratch, crappy enough to discourage camera audio use. Maybe somebody can make a camera hop that drops in an automatic pre-recorded disclaimer every minute: "Do not use this audio! Scratch track only!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 Maybe this way as back tracking: "!ylno kcart hctarcS !oidua siht esu ton oD" Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundslikejustin Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 ¡ʎןuo ʞɔɐɹʇ ɥɔʇɐɹɔs ¡oıpnɐ sıɥʇ ǝsn ʇou op Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 Hey, it is your movie, use it if you want to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 !nam daed ,no em nruT Whoops, sorry, I thought I was listening to Sgt. Pepper... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benr Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 REDRUM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Aslan Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 Hehe sound guys wilin out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pindrop Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 ¡ʎןuo ʞɔɐɹʇ ɥɔʇɐrɔs ¡oıdnɐ sıɥʇ ǝsn ʇou op How did you invert the text? I thought it must be an image but it's not and I can't find an option for inversion, I guess it's an inverted font I don't have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandering Ear Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 Maybe somebody can make a camera hop that drops in an automatic pre-recorded disclaimer every minute: "Do not use this audio! Scratch track only!" LOL Just put an ipod into your mixer with a 30 second mp3 on repeat one, and send it only to camera. Post will love that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova Posted May 24, 2012 Report Share Posted May 24, 2012 Think I've posted this before, but these are the bomb... http://www.lockitbuddy.com/website/index.html And nothing reminds post that there is double system audio like audio timecode on track 2.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 How did you invert the text? I hate to reveal my secret: http://invertedtext.com/ ¡ɔıƃɐɯ ǝʞıl sʞɹoʍ ʇı Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted May 25, 2012 Report Share Posted May 25, 2012 Think I've posted this before, but these are the bomb... http://www.lockitbud...site/index.html And nothing reminds post that there is double system audio like audio timecode on track 2.... I'd say that nothing would get you a call from post faster than doing this w/o prior agreement... phil p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Li Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 The last time I just used a comtek feed. Good enough for scratch, crappy enough to discourage camera audio use. + 1 this is what i do all the time, so they have no choice but to use my audio. lol make it easier for post... but not too easy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Matthews Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 I just got a gig where they are shooting on a mark III. I told the producer I would be recording second system and asked if they intended to use the camera audio as anything other than a scratch track for post syncing purposes and was told they intend to use camera audio, second system is just in case something goes wrong. I have learned the hard way not to say anything about the audio capabilities of a camera to a producer, so I just replied "great". The plan will be to drop camera gain as much as I can to bypass the preamps on the camera and send line level from my 442. But I'm thinking they will still be using it as a scratch track. I totally agree with the treat it like a film camera approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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