taylormadeaudio Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 ...For us, the most annoying aspect of the RED Epic is the constant, loud fan (hairdryer) white noise that permeates the set during setup, blocking rehearsals and final rehearsals, with the first take being our first chance to really get a sense of what it is all going to sound like --- invariably we would have to find other noises on the set after take one (something we almost never had to do in the past when we were able to sort everything out beforehand, usually even during 2nd team rehearsals)... +11 Just finished week-1 on a feature (length) [project] that was originally supposed to be shot on Epics... changed to Alexa... 2 days before principle photog -- I felt kinda bad for the camera crew's ensuing hustle, but I know even they are much happier using the Alexa. The factor Jeff mentions above is enough to drive me absolutely crazy when working with these f&@king cameras -- between takes, it sounds like you're on a tarmac. How are we expected to do our jobs? ... not to mention the hearing fatigue.... Anyhow... <end rant> ~tt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 " .I don't know why I want to even do this kind of stuff if this is going to be the norm... " record sound, get check... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Hey, I got off a good line today with a couple of DPs. We did a short scene with an Arri 435 (high speed film camera), and when they finished, I said, "wow, I'm never going to complain about how loud the Red Epic is again!" Brought down the house. At least they understood what I was talking about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Hey, I got off a good line today with a couple of DPs. We did a short scene with an Arri 435 (high speed film camera), and when they finished, I said, "wow, I'm never going to complain about how loud the Red Epic is again!" Brought down the house. At least they understood what I was talking about... When the 435 came out it was advertised as "The Worlds Best MOS Camera." Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted June 17, 2014 Report Share Posted June 17, 2014 They should've brought in a whole lotta bags of ice. Any digital camera + lots of heat and humidity = recipe for disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Tresch Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 This post just remember there is a solution out there : The FanPlate. Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old school Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Need to get my eyes checked... I thought the topic read, Fans of Red Epic until I saw more than 50 reply's.. . . . No fans of the fans that I know of. CrewC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Tresch Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Need to get my eyes checked... I thought the topic read, Fans of Red Epic until I saw more than 50 reply's.. . . . No fans of the fans that I know of. CrewC This is a sound forum, not a camera one... ;-) but I've got lot of fans among the sound crew as I always work with the FanPlate on Epic. Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VASI Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?115987-DSMC-Fan-2-0-Kit-Audio-Performance Here an audio test http://www.artbyphil.com/temp/reduser/phfx_DSMCFAN2pointOSounds.mp3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Tresch Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?115987-DSMC-Fan-2-0-Kit-Audio-Performance Here an audio test http://www.artbyphil.com/temp/reduser/phfx_DSMCFAN2pointOSounds.mp3 Or : "how not to record the fan sound"... Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPSharman Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 How many people have worked on two movies with numbers in the title: 61* and 42! http://jwsoundgroup.net/public/style_emoticons/#EMO_DIR#/happy.png 10 Items or Less Ten Inch Hero Boogeyman 2 Vacancy 2 Crank 2 5 Days of War Locker 13 Horrible Bosses 2 If you've got a number in your movie, especially a 2, I'm your man! About to start a new movie with 2 or 3 Dragons at all times. They're set on adaptive preview quiet run 25%. This has proven to be the best setting, and very quite. No issues on Tarzan, as I've been told, on hot sets and long takes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Anderson Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 Make sure the cameras have the version 2 of their fan. It looks a bit different on the front of the camera, like a little hilltop. The fan percentage on a Red Dragon with the second version of the fan is quieter than the same fan percentage on the first version of the fan. And not all AC's know that there are different versions of the fans. Unfortunately, the fans are supposedly necessary to the look of the picture. "Something, something, gammas, something or another." But not just to keep the camera from destroying itself with over heating. Or being too cold. Right now, our AC's are making sure the cameras are don't get too cold, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Tresch Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 To make it short: Bottom Fan V2 is louder than V1. If Bottom V2 and Red's top fan is used you'll get less noise than with Bottom fan V1 only. Best choice and results is using the bottom fan V1 and the FanPlate. Set your camera to adaptive mode set to 70C° you'll get the best sound experience. Blackshading done at constant sensor temp and shutter speed is key to get the best image out of your camera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendybones Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxtN7aD6iTI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mario Cardenas Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 My sentiments exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigF Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 I have a new idea: Liquid Nitrogen spray http://air-source.com/products-services/gases/nitrogen/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Waelder Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Liquid Nitrogen spray Is this to cool off the camera? And are you serious? (I wouldn't want to wander näif-like into a set-up.) Liquid nitrogen is often available on a film set. The five-foot tall canisters of "air" typically fitted into camera trucks are actually filled with nitrogen. You can blast it at items and, if the nozzle is held open continuously, the gas will chill down whatever it's aimed at. It will also, as it hits the air, make a cloud identical to, well, clouds. I once worked a job where we blasted an entire 18-wheel tanker full of nitrogen at a test item and the entire lot where we were working became enveloped by a cloud of moisture. It would have been a great (albeit expensive) way of making cloud vapor that could be blown over the cockpit of a stationary airplane to make it appear to be moving. It was kind of fun to blow through probably $10,000 (or more) of nitrogen but I can't see using it to cool a camera. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Tresch Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 Just to announce that the FanPlate has a new price. It was 570.-- and now it's 250.-- $ Shipped! Pat http://www.mecasax.ch/products/fanplate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 That's a bargain, Pat! This is a must-have accessory for the Red Epic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Bluemke Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 I know what all of my Epic DP's are getting for an early Christmas gift. Thanks for the heads up Pat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Tresch Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 I know what all of my Epic DP's are getting for an early Christmas gift. Thanks for the heads up Pat. And I'll ask Mecasax that you get a quantity discount! ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshbinder Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 I had to move from an F5 to a RED Epic a year ago for a variety of client needs and i usually do one man band. Mainly corporate and some doco style stuff. RED have actually done a fair job at addressing the fan issue. The problem is many people use this adaptive setting which is the noisiest so the nomenclature in the menus tends to be a bit screwy. However I believe the quiet record mode in the latest firmware (actually the last 2 or 3 releases) seem to have gotten much better as i never have any fan issues and have been doing plenty of long interviews with the camera. Its just as client budgets tend to be aggressive since i do a lot of work with the fed the size of the camera for travel was more advantageous. But yes sound is a bit of a hassle compared to most of the other cameras. Again best solution is get in the settings and try almost anything BUT the adaptive mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigF Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 a little of this quiets the fans right down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Tresch Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 a little of this quiets the fans right down Do you put this in your ear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 I just did some interviews in a very quiet place with a handheld Dragon. I could hear it, but I doubt the clients will care. Long rolls, new DP moving fast so I decided not to get into The Fan Thing with him. I feel like the camera is quieter than it was for this kind of long-roll doco thing. p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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