AFsound Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 First let me just say this: I'm looking to expand my gear but without breaking the bank....so please don't recommend other better pricey options (Schoeps or Nuemann) . The ME64 with K6 and foam would cost me under $500 and it seems like a steal of a deal. My question is, for indoor use, dialog only, mounted boom application(no handling noise) to (hopefully) within 2 feet of subject, am I going to hear a noticeable difference in reducing room echo, and can it better reject any other less desired sounds using the Senn ME64/K6 over what I am now using , my Sennheiser 416 ? What else can I expect from a ME64/K6 and are there similar priced better options, ....OR maybe its not even worth the relatively small investment to use over my 416 for the above indoor situation? Thanks for your opinions !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Woodcock Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Why do you need it you have a 416 its not going to sound any better inside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Mills Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 In your price range, for what you describe, ( a planted boom interior) I suggest either an Audio Technica 4051 hypercaridiod, or an Oktava Film Edition, and and have the preamp for the oktava modified. Both of these will sound more natural than the me/K6. Or... used Schoeps CMC4/MK41 with 12v power adapter, or a Sennheiser Mkh-50... these last 2 probably will cost double your budget.. but will sound massively better and will hold their value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFsound Posted January 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Audio-Technica AT4051b is $600 at B&H You saying theres a significant difference? to be specific as far as cost, its $450 for the Senn ME64/K6/ and foam I hate being cheap on equipment, but this is an area I'd like improvement on for the exact situation I mentioned. Have you /do you own both? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Reineke Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 As Christopher stated, the Oktava (012) is a low cost option, the Micheal Joly mod is worth while but won't make a night and day difference. One should search for the possible issues of the Oktava before a purchase. The AT hyper-card that Christopher mentioned is the 4053, a nice mic with a high output level. The Sennheiser K6 series is just OK IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason porter Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 AKG Blueline, CK93+SE300b, bought a used one in perfect shape for $200 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Southern Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Personally, I strongly dislike the K6 series. I was in your exact situation a while back and wound up returning an ME64, which I thought sounded awful, and getting an Oktava. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFsound Posted January 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 What are the mentioned "possible issues" with oktava MK 012-01? I didnt see any info on known issues with a google search. I see a used Oktava on eBay http://www.ebay.com/itm/Oktava-MK-012-01-Condenser-Mic-w-Cardioid-Capsule-10dB-Pad-Case-Clip-NICE-/300847577757?pt=US_Pro_Audio_Microphones&hash=item460be9ba9d Thats low price for sure. Any other opinions on the Oktava ? How does it compare to my 416 as far are quality and rejection of unwanted echo and noise? Never researched it before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Southern Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 One possible issue is that the market is flooded with cheap copies. These are the real deal: http://www.oktava-online.com/mk012.htm The Oktava is very different from the 416. Take a look at this guy's page comparing common prod. sound mics: http://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/right_mic_brockett.html You should find all the info you're looking for there, as well as some options other than the Oktava. Hope this helps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFsound Posted January 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Thank you ! Appreciate it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Mills Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 uh.. yeah.. they 4053 is what I meant.. I have heard it, the k6 series, and the oktava's side by side the k6 does not sound good enough to justify the price. I liked Joly modded Oktavas much better... if you want to know what they sound like, watch an episode of Drop Dead Divas. They are used a LOT on the interior scenes. I also like the AKG 450 and 460 pre-amps with hypercardioid capsules for interiors. I use them a lot as a channel on sit down interviews with A-list talent for the studios. The AT 4053 will flatter a normal voice in good ways. the k6 preamp just sounds thin and harsh to me, compared to the other choices. I can endorse the following http://www.billsrecording.com/BSRS/oktavamic1.html order the one with a single hypercardioid and either the standard or premium mod. I do like having the -10db pad OR.. order this http://www.frontendaudio.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=9999-07817&click=18920&gclid=CIiVwa_KjrUCFQWnnQoduDMAPQ and have Bill or Mike modify the pre-amp this version has the low cut filter rather than a -10db pad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 The ME64 uses an electret element (pre-polarized capsule), which is a cheaper way to make a condenser mic. If it were me and I was on set with a 416 and an ME64, even in a mildly reverberant space, I'd pull out the 416 over the ME64. (If it were a highly reverberant space, I'd be having a talk with the producer and if he, or she, still opted for that space, I'd be deploying lots of strategically-placed furnie pads.) If you're committed to this as a profession, save your money now and buy more circumstance-specific equipment when you can afford it. If you don't see yourself in this long-term, just save your money. FWIW: I normally use a Schoeps in such circumstances but I have also successfully wielded a 416 with great success in a wide variety of situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 " I hate being cheap on equipment, " then don't be... You are asking stuff frequently asked, mentioned, discussed, here; try Google with jwsoundgroup.net as your first search term! You are in LAX, so visit our usual suspects to discuss, see hear, and deal on the options available, that is why they are worth it, and the sales reps are not on commission. ultimately the decision is subjective, and yours to make personally! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonicparticle Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Also the Audix SCX-1 is worth checking out. It has been rated highly, for the price at least. Haven't used it myself, so don't take my word for it, but similar question to yours has been post a dozen times and this mic is always coming up. It is next on my list and I am really curious to compare against my unmodified Oktava. Has anyone here used both the SCX-1 and the AT4053b. Any comments or advice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan chiles Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Good recommendations above.. I would stay away from the ME series. Another option could be an old MKH406 which is a cardioid and matches the 416 very well.. god sounding mic when used close in. You'd probably have to settle for T-power but those turn up on ebay for $300-$350 quite often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Best bang for the buck is the Audix SCX-1. Sounds amazingly like a Schoeps 641 setup at 25% of the cost. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonicparticle Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Best bang for the buck is the Audix SCX-1. Sounds amazingly like a Schoeps 641 setup at 25% of the cost. Eric Is there a figure of eight mic that would complement the SCX-1 nicely for some interior M-S recordings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berniebeaudry Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Best bang for the buck is the Audix SCX-1. Sounds amazingly like a Schoeps 641 setup at 25% of the cost. Eric +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crussell Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Is there a figure of eight mic that would complement the SCX-1 nicely for some interior M-S recordings? Good question, I dunno the answer. The Audix is made by MBHO and so is the Ambient Emmesser. I wonder if they pair up well? I can comment on how the SCX-1hc works in a stereo pair; very, very well. I bought mine based on Eric's recommendation and loved it so much, I bought a second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFsound Posted January 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 I think its between the Audix SCX1-HC and the Oktava MK-012 HC I will stay clear of the ME series mics I appreciate everyones input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonicparticle Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Good question, I dunno the answer. The Audix is made by MBHO and so is the Ambient Emmesser. I wonder if they pair up well? I can comment on how the SCX-1hc works in a stereo pair; very, very well. I bought mine based on Eric's recommendation and loved it so much, I bought a second. Good info. I am definitely willing to give it a try. I think I shall be getting an SCX1 within the month if poss. And, I'll take it from there. I think its between the Audix SCX1-HC and the Oktava MK-012 HC I will stay clear of the ME series mics I appreciate everyones input. I've been using a stock MK-012HC to be honest and I don't rate it at all. Yes granted, for the money it is pretty decent. But otherwiseit is plagued by high self-noise and it is really susceptible to RF interference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb1138 Posted February 6, 2013 Report Share Posted February 6, 2013 ME64 sounds...lame. I agree with the others. 416 is an excellent microphone. Some of the old school top sound mixers still use them for everything. C. Darin Knight, Steve Cantamessa, Chris Newman. AT4053a/b and Audix SCX1-HC are excellent. If you do get an ME64 or some reason...get one used. Then it might be worth its price.... If you want a mike with more rejection indoors, a hyper's not gonna do it. You'd need either a CMIT or CS3e, both of which are out of your price range. Sawrab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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