studiomprd Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 " Any suggestions on a decent priced boom pole for this setup with a canon 7d camera? " http://www.jlfisher.com/booms/model_2_boom/index.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coreyishere Posted March 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 " Any suggestions on a decent priced boom pole for this setup with a canon 7d camera? " http://www.jlfisher.com/booms/model_2_boom/index.asp Thanks man I appreciate it. I will look over that website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Hirtenstein Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 " Any suggestions on a decent priced boom pole for this setup with a canon 7d camera? " http://www.jlfisher.com/booms/model_2_boom/index.asp I like to use the Fisher model 2 because it has a bracket upon which you can attach the Zoom H4n. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisH Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Lav mics will probably be your best option since you know nothing about sound. They are expensive however. The professional wireless microphone systems we use range from $2000 -$5000 per channel. You would need two of these systems and a mixer to combine the signals. Although you can record to your 7d it is highly unadviseable. An amateur boom operator is often worse than a c-stand. The sanken cs3 is one of the most directional mics out there right next to long shotguns such as the MKH-70, kmr82 and the super CMIT. A good boom operator moves the mic into the perfect position for every line moving between actors for different lines and following even subtle head movements. Directional mics such as the ones above are challenging tools to use and will screw you on a c stand and be even worse with an amateur boom op who will mis-que. The MKH-50 would be a good choice to plant between them on a cstand if they stay seated on the couch and talk towards each other. As others have brought up you then need a mixer or some other phantom power source and a way to either feed it to your camera or a way to sync it afterwards if you record it separately. The h4n might work nicely if you can get it close enough planted right between them and the actors are loud. If what you want is good audio you need to hire a sound guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 " Lav mics will probably be your best option since you know nothing about sound. They are expensive however. " Lav mic's do not have to be wireless... wired might be fine for two people sitting on a couch... of course two people sitting on a couch does not sound like much of a "feature" length movie to me,.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Orusa Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Hi, are you being serious about that box? I have heard a lot about post production and how important it is for sound. I hope you are being serious. Does it really do wonders for dialogue? If so is there a tutorial I could watch or something? That box is really cheap too. Thanks so much! The best thing about it is it's completely wireless. There are no wires to connect for it to do what it does. It also makes use of wireless power: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_energy_transfer Mark O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisH Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Very true senator good point! Again your biggest hurdle is how to record audio as the 7d is marginal at best and the zoom is only slightly better due to having balanced inputs and phantom power with out AGC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coreyishere Posted March 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 guys I am getting the zoom hn4 and hooking my rode ntg-2 into it. I hope this works out. I know some people complain of problems with this set up while others say it produces good audio. At this point I am just ready to dive in and try something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Visser Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Checkout between two ferns for some lav / couch action Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Wexler Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 guys I am getting the zoom hn4 and hooking my rode ntg-2 into it. I hope this works out. I know some people complain of problems with this set up while others say it produces good audio. At this point I am just ready to dive in and try something. Dive in, yes, please do. Your time, and ours, will be much better spent when you finally start hooking things up, listening, figuring out whether you will get the results you desire with your chosen method rather than endlessly seeking answers to your question "will it sound good?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coreyishere Posted March 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Thanks Jeff. I am leaving in 30 mins to get it. Hopefully it will be what I am looking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Thanks Jeff. I am leaving in 30 mins to get it. Hopefully it will be what I am looking for. He seems to be confusing JWS with his Twitter account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Woodcock Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 He seems to be confusing JWS with his Twitter account. I retweeted you John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atheisticmystic Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Hopefully the zipper in the head issue will be dealt with on set. Or maybe Mark's Palindrometer comes in "implant" size? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coreyishere Posted March 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 hey guys bought the zoom last night as well as some xlr cable. I had to download adobe premiere cs6 and it took forever. By the time I got it all done it took till 1 am. I have work today but am going to do some sound test tonight with the equipment. The guy at Sammys Camera said the rode ntg-2 and zoom h4n would give me good sound. Guess I will have to wait until tonight to see. Hope this topic is not bugging you guys too much. At least I am learning. I will keep you guys updated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Burstein Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 You're all saints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 " bought the zoom last night " the Tascam is better for production sound work... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Wexler Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 "The guy at Sammys Camera said the rode ntg-2 and zoom h4n would give me good sound. Guess I will have to wait until tonight to see. Hope this topic is not bugging you guys too much. At least I am learning. I will keep you guys updated." The Topic is okay but the "discussion" that followed definitely bugs me. See if you can make a deal with the guy at Sammy's Camera to continue all this consultation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coreyishere Posted March 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Guys im new. I admit that im a newbie. But I can do this with a lot of hard work and learning. I am just grateful that I am even a part of this group. I feel very honored and fortunate to even have access to the great minds here. I am very excited to try this out tonight. I have high hopes and cannot wait to get started. It feels like Christmas for me. I was about to get the Tascam actually but the guy at Sammys said the zoom would be better. So I just took a chance with the zoom. I will report back to you guys with an audio clip if thats ok in a day or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coreyishere Posted March 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 "The guy at Sammys Camera said the rode ntg-2 and zoom h4n would give me good sound. Guess I will have to wait until tonight to see. Hope this topic is not bugging you guys too much. At least I am learning. I will keep you guys updated." The Topic is okay but the "discussion" that followed definitely bugs me. See if you can make a deal with the guy at Sammy's Camera to continue all this consultation. Sorry Jeff. I will try to keep things professional. I appreciate your patience with me. I just hope this thread can help other newbies in the future that are as lost as me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olle Sjostrom Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Every recorder and microphone is a a subjective choice. The zoom may or may not be better. Trust your ears! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 " The guy at Sammys Camera said the rode ntg-2 and zoom h4n would give me good sound. " and if it doesn't, be sure to ask him to help you out... " about to get the Tascam actually but the guy at Sammys said the zoom would be better. " did he say why? I will only hint that this may have something to do with why we professionals don't discuss or buy our sound equipment at Sammy's Camera. We tend to patronize our "usual suspects", where the advice is solid, and the reps are not on commission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 " The zoom may or may not be better " it is certainly popular, however comparing features and spec's, there wpild seem to be an edge for Tascam's models in production sound situations, though Zoom typically gives dealers a bit better margins and/or incentives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coreyishere Posted March 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 " The guy at Sammys Camera said the rode ntg-2 and zoom h4n would give me good sound. " and if it doesn't, be sure to ask him to help you out... " about to get the Tascam actually but the guy at Sammys said the zoom would be better. " did he say why? I will only hint that this may have something to do with why we professionals don't discuss or buy our sound equipment at Sammy's Camera. We tend to patronize our "usual suspects", where the advice is solid, and the reps are not on commission. He didn't give a real reason. Just said the ntg-2 and h4n are a great combo. But I will trust my ears. I am sure I can get some good sound from this setup if I experiment enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 " the ntg-2 and h4n are a great combo. " in your situation, I would agree that they are a perfectly suitable combination, and a decent value.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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