Jim Feeley Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 The B&H Website flipped from "Pre-Order" to "Order", so the first lot is in their warehouse & showroom ready to ship to customers. Tom. Tom, will you be hanging at the Tascam NAB booth (SL10827) the whole show, or just particular days and hours? Thanks, Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osv Posted April 7, 2013 Report Share Posted April 7, 2013 speaking from the video side of the fence, it would be nice if the record on/off functions for both the camera and the dr-60d could be triggered simultaneously, with one remote controller. unfortunately the industry standard lan-c connection and the tascam wired control format don't appear to be compatible. i'll probably end up hacking a couple of controllers together to get basic functionality, but regardless, i'm down for one. congrats on filling a niche that no one else quite recognized, and thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Visser Posted April 7, 2013 Report Share Posted April 7, 2013 LANC isn't quite industry standard. It was actually developed by Sony. It is used to some extent by Panasonic. There is no standardization. Even amongst Sony products, there is some variation as to the implementation from model to model. Like many things Sony develops, they don't seem to be too concerned about others sharing their technologies unless sued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Reilly Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 Well...if you can put up with some ironically bad audio and questionable observations/comparisons, there's some exploration of an actual production unit here: http://juicedlink.com/blog/2013/04/tascam-dr-60d-review-and-audio-tests/ Early on in the clip, the stepped, audibly clicky gain adjustment rears its ugly head. Boo. That might be fine for a set and forget situation..but not in a field recorder. Seems like a glitch you'd expect in a consumer device. Can this be remedied by firmware update? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VASI Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 "Dual System Audio - No Benefit" "And why Hollywood use dual system audio? For 6+ wireless, large crew" - That's made my day (or night). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrd456 Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 Why did they do the stepped pot on the dr-60d----idiots,it's a deal breaker for most.You have to have a continuasly variable pot,like they have on the DR100 etc......---------they made the dr--60d so a mixer could use it for "over the shoulder" mixing,but they killed that. J.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 " Why did they do the stepped pot " many of our favorite old consoles had those really great round "pots" we loved, that were really stepped attenuators. OK, so why ?? because... that is how digital stuff works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Reilly Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 Technically true..but something wrong with the implementation if it introduces clicks. I'm hoping Tom discusses this/suggests it is fixable. If not, it's a bit of an achilles heel to what looked like a well designed device. Adding another video regarding the gain adjustment: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 " suggests it is fixable. " I'm not near convinced it is broken! (or that we are the target market) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Duffy Posted April 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 I'm finally back from NAB and post-NAB trips. The DR-60D has a digitally controlled mic-pre, not a stepped pot on the analog pre circuitry. This enables us to give you the "hold" function, that locks out all accidental changes from knocked controls or button presses by the camera op once you are in record. With digitally controlled mic-pres, some amount of "zipper noise" (that is the best technical name for this phenomenon) is not unexpected. Sine tones are the best (i.e. the most unflattering) way to test for zipper noise, but are not representative of real world audio, where the phenomenon is rarely audible. That said, we will look into mitigating this further through firmware updates in the near future. We of course eagerly await the reviews from real users. Tom (TASCAM) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrd456 Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 " Why did they do the stepped pot " many of our favorite old consoles had those really great round "pots" we loved, that were really stepped attenuators. OK, so why ?? because... that is how digital stuff works. I think you like being a contrarian,I know you are smart enough to know detented rotary pots with 3 or 4 db steps suck.I did a lot of mixing with the old rotary pots,they were fine,these aren't. I feel like I'm living in Bizarro land----Help J.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Reilly Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 I'm not sure these are physically detented in the normal sense. I'm guessing continuously variable in knob feel but, as digital controllers, stepped in terms of DB adjustment...as the 2nd video clip suggests. The steps seem large (3db?), maybe delayed as well..and if performed during a sine wave (sustained vocal, musical or or other "real world" tone), might inflict zippering. I would hope for a less stepped, non-clicky update via firmware. If it was all about locking controls..put a plastic cover over the knobs like any number of camcorders do...or recessed pots like some mixers do. As for who it's for..who requests shoulder strap mounts and iso tracks? Between this issue and some of the pre-production really bad photos in magazines, I'm hoping Tascam was just a bit ahead of themselves and can remedy this over time. It seems like a very good machine otherwise. Ironically, I found the over all sound quality demos clearly favoring the Tascam over the Juiced box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 I think you like being a contrarian,I know you are smart enough to know detented rotary pots with 3 or 4 db steps suck.I did a lot of mixing with the old rotary pots,they were fine,these aren't. J.D. I turned out a ton mixes on these without a second thought about "zipper" noise. Back then the only zipper noise in the CR was from......well you'll have to use your imagination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Reilly Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 i suspect you didn't wear the Altec on yer shoulder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 i suspect you didn't wear the Altec on yer shoulder Nagra 3's yes. Altec 250 su's & Ampex 350's , not a chance. Such great fun times back then in the 60's in NYC. Just cherished memories now. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al mcguire Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 >well you'll have to use your imagination< Eric was ADRing porno's ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Mills Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 >well you'll have to use your imagination< Eric was ADRing porno's ? Wouldn't that be foley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al mcguire Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Zippers frequently overlap dialogue in pornos, or so they tell me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Wouldn't that be foley? Where do you think the term "hummer" came from.....hmmmm? Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 " The DR-60D has a digitally controlled mic-pre, not a stepped pot on the analog pre circuitry. " sorry to confuse some folks... I did not mean that modern digital equipment uses old fashioned stepped attenuators (Eric's pic of that Altec brings back memories!), but that such stepping is not new... I suspect the target market doesn't dotoo much (if any) active mixing during shots! " the "hold" function, that locks out all accidental changes from knocked controls or button presses by the camera op once you are in record. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Reilly Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 Maybe for the under the camera situation. But for the over the shoulder sound op situation, not so much. A better option would be a cover like on this sides of broadcast cams or ability to recess pots a la SD. The form factor is already fairly protective against bumps compared to some units. Seeing the large increments during gain adjustment, I suspect there are other drivers of this shortcoming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swaneon Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 I was wondering if this allows the audio to be recorded in camera like the juiced link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 I was wondering if this allows the audio to be recorded in camera like the juiced link? Yes it does. There is a dedicated 3.5mm trs output to camera connection. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfisk Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 Tascam let me borrow one for our booth at NAB to incorporate into our Norbert DSLR frame. Great little box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Reilly Posted April 22, 2013 Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 Dave, Do any recording with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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