millar Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 For pal shoots are there any other frame rates to consider besides 25? With NTSC there are at least 4 that I can think of that are common (30, 29.97, 24, 23.98) and used for various reasons. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundslikejustin Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 Nope. 25fps, nice and simple. There are NTSC/PAL hybrids in Brazil, Portugal etc (PAL-M) but that's more to do with scan lines/colour than frame rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate C Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 Set recorder to 25fps. 2 years later try to remember where in the menu to change frame rate for an american client. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VASI Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 25fps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainier Davenport Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 Set recorder to 25fps. 2 years later try to remember where in the menu to change frame rate for an american client. How many times have you forgotten to change frame rates for some wonky camera or some shit! Glad to see someone else has the same problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 Happens in America, too. We get wacky producers who go back and forth between 29.97 and 23.98. Drives me crazy. Half the time, nobody knows until the day of the shoot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep owl Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 Happens in America, too. We get wacky producers who go back and forth between 29.97 and 23.98. Drives me crazy. Half the time, nobody knows until the day of the shoot! One of my new favorite lines to use at start of day is 'Are you shooting 23.98 or are you going for the 90's soap opera look and shooting 29.97?' I was in college when the SD/HD conversion was happening and I remember thinking how much better the brits and MOST of the rest of the world had it with 25 being standard. HD was supposed be 24 and solve the decimal problems and then BOOM!!!!! they stick us with 23.976! Yay! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Campion Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 Press junkets are the most fun.. Every country's media bringing their own hairbrained framerates, and only 7 seconds turnaround to change settings and re-jam all cameras, and in 30 seconds you do it all over again, for The Republic of Congolian TV at 21.49 How do you ameercans deal with HMI's having only 50Hz, 60Hz and flicker free? Does it mean you just have to have them on the flicker free setting when not shooting 25 or 30 fps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pindrop Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 For pal shoots are there any other frame rates to consider besides 25? With NTSC there are at least 4 that I can think of that are common (30, 29.97, 24, 23.98) and used for various reasons. Thanks No there's no scope to tie ourselves in knots and make our brains explode with TC in PAL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 Press junkets are the most fun.. Every country's media bringing their own hairbrained framerates, and only 7 seconds turnaround to change settings and re-jam all cameras, and in 30 seconds you do it all over again, for The Republic of Congolian TV at 21.49 How do you ameercans deal with HMI's having only 50Hz, 60Hz and flicker free? Does it mean you just have to have them on the flicker free setting when not shooting 25 or 30 fps? These days, on Red shoots at least, I get told more and more often that HMIs need to be on flicker free, because of HDR. Yet one more reason to love the RED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPSharman Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 Never had trouble with HMIs being on silent on any HD shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Rowe Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 For pal shoots are there any other frame rates to consider besides 25? With NTSC there are at least 4 that I can think of that are common (30, 29.97, 24, 23.98) and used for various reasons. Thanks PAL is always 25fps, but bear in mind that 24fps is standard all over the world, including PAL countries. When a US production would shoot 24fps (e.g. for cinema release), so too would a UK production. There are some low-budget productions that choose to shoot at 24fps for shorts, virals, corporates and other straight-to-web videos, in the belief that it makes their video look more "filmic" (true enough when you're talking about 23.976 v. 29.97; less so when it's 24 v 25). You have to watch out for this in a PAL country because some prosumer cameras such as 5DMk2's say "24fps" but mean 23.976fps (even on the PAL model), and such productions are inevitably unaware of this. Whether flicker free is required is as dependent on shutter speed as it is on frame rate, i.e. the frame rate doesn't matter as long as the shutter speed is 1/50th (UK) or 1/60th (USA) or some multiple thereof. We (UK) shoot both 25fps and 24fps at 1/50th in the normal scheme of things, so no flicker to worry about, and I imagine that's the same with 1/60th in the States. This doesn't however stop every ballast on every set being turned to flicker free until you request otherwise! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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