jakeslaney Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 Worked with one of these the last couple days. Apparently you cannot jam 23.98 into camera? Could receive and could jam 29.97. Just giving a heads up and wondering I anyone else has experienced this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 " wondering I anyone else has experienced this? " probably... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmahaAudio Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 " wondering I anyone else has experienced this? " probably... As always, thanks for your help... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb1138 Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 (edited) Been working with this camera on a doc. Been trying 23.98 fps TC jam from Nomad to XF305 but with no luck. Saw this post, and 29.97 works....thanks. But the camera is actually shooting at 23.976fps (24P it calls it). What does using a timecode of 29.97 with a framerate of 23.976 mean? I'm not a post person, but will that still work? It also doesn't keep jam if it turns off and some other situations. Production might need to invest in a lock-it box or maybe I could try a sennheiser set. (included this just to let other audio people who find this thread know) Edited October 20, 2013 by srab1138 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Reineke Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 I'm not an expert on it, but 23.976fps is the rate for 24fps NTSC video . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb1138 Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 (edited) I'm not an expert on it, but 23.976fps is the rate for 24fps NTSC video . No I mean using a timecode of 29.97 with a frame rate of 23.976fps. I corrected my post above. I have read the manual, but it doesn't mention anything about this 24P/29.97 TC thing. Though I did find this article that mentions this. (at the bottom). Actually I double-checked. The manual does mention that the output is at 29.97/30 regardless but it does indicate that the internal timecode should be matching the framerate mode of 24P when it is set at as that....yet it's not working that way. Edited October 20, 2013 by srab1138 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) " using a timecode of 29.97 with a frame rate of 23.976fps. " yes, SMPTE/EBU TC is a tough technical topic, and the folks who know it are earning their rates... as has been said before: 23.976 (aka 23.98) and 29.97 are compatible, non-integer rates, and 24 and 30 are compatible integer rates. they are clocking at the same rate, and will match on the 00 frame of each second. so now the question is, do your movie-makers, and their post folks, understand what they are doing ? workflow test! Edited October 24, 2013 by studiomprd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Orusa Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 23.976 and 29.97 are compatible frame rates in that they count at the same speed and therefore share the same 0 point. Theoretically, you can shoot at one and record sound at the other and everything will still sync. Workflow tests are always a good idea. Mark O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 I'm not an expert on it, but 23.976fps is the rate for 24fps NTSC video . NTSC video is 29.97 fps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb1138 Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 " using a timecode of 29.97 with a frame rate of 23.976fps. " yes, SMPTE/EBU TC is a tough technical topic, and the folks who know it are earning their rates... as has been said before: 23.976 (aka 23.98) and 29.97 are compatible, non-integer rates, and 24 and 30 are compatible integer rates. they are clocking at the same rate, and will match on the 00 frame of each second. so now the question is, do your movie-makers, and their post folks, understand what they are doing ? workflow test! 23.976 and 29.97 are compatible frame rates in that they count at the same speed and therefore share the same 0 point. Theoretically, you can shoot at one and record sound at the other and everything will still sync. Workflow tests are always a good idea. Mark O. Thank you! I did not know they were compatible, although I suspected they might be. It's not something I'd think to look for. You'd think it'd be as simple as using the same number with the same number: 23.976 with 23.976. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abe Dolinger Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Bumping this thread to add that this helpful advice also applies to the 105, the little bro of the camera originally mentioned. Thanks JW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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