rafaeldelauz Report post #26 Posted March 14, 2015 I'm wondering if something as simple and affordable as a Rycote tac!t would take care of the problem, without needing to use the B version. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TJW Report post #27 Posted March 15, 2015 I'm wondering if something as simple and affordable as a Rycote tac!t would take care of the problem, without needing to use the B version. The Rycote Tacit is one of the most inexpensive and affective accessories that you can buy http://www.rycote.com/products/cable-w_tact-filter-xlr-3f_3m-l45cm-x-48mm/. It has a very steep 18dB roll off with a knee at 65 Hz- far steeper than a filter on any mixer I know - and is very similar to a Schoeps Cut-1 or the steep cut on a CMIT. I have C preamps on 2 x 4018 and 2 x 4017. The C and the Tacit are perfect partners for boom use. I say go for it. Tim Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Derek H Report post #28 Posted March 15, 2015 Hint for Cinela.. Make your own 18dB/oct filter and fit it into the XLR mount of your Pianissimo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cineli Report post #29 Posted March 15, 2015 Hint for Cinela.. Make your own 18dB/oct filter and fit it into the XLR mount of your Pianissimo. Good idea ! Anyway...few things: - The filter has to deal with the 48V and needs to take enough power (current & voltage) to work correctly. Many microphones accept it but many microphones do not ! Difficult to make a "one fits all". - Few widely used microphones already integrate such a filter (CMIT, 4017B...) and this may be true for newer models... - Same for mixers (Aeta Mixy, some SD models, arriving Cantar X3...) Not so easy, but thank you for the hint ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeremiah Sheets Report post #30 Posted March 17, 2015 Please take phase response tests if doing so. Many topologies require a 4th order filter for a linear response unless other electronics are employed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Derek H Report post #31 Posted March 18, 2015 Cineli, You're the king of one-size-does-NOT-fit-all! Perhaps make a specific models of pianissimo for the individual mics with the appropriate filter built into the cabling. For mics that need it.. 8060, 4017c, etc.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mobilemike Report post #32 Posted November 3, 2016 Bumping an old thread! Just wanted to run this by other 4017 users... I just picked up a 4017C and it sounds really nice, but I've noticed it has significantly lower output than the Sanken CS3e I normally run. Is this normal? Obviously not a huge deal, but for some quiet lines I end up stretching the preamp gain a little more than I'm used to with the Sanken. Thx! -Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mulluysavage Report post #33 Posted November 3, 2016 The CS3e is quite sensitive. I often use Line phantom setting on my 633 for that mic. Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ivica Report post #34 Posted July 2 Hi I just bought DPA 4017C. Mic is sounding great but i have handling problem.When moving on axis up and down mic is overloading.this is not happening when i move mic left right or up and down jus when i'm m oving front or back (on axis). Does somebody know should i return mic back or buy MMP-B preamp. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mobilemike Report post #35 Posted July 3 4 hours ago, Ivica said: Hi I just bought DPA 4017C. Mic is sounding great but i have handling problem.When moving on axis up and down mic is overloading.this is not happening when i move mic left right or up and down jus when i'm m oving front or back (on axis). Does somebody know should i return mic back or buy MMP-B preamp. What are you using for wind protection? Even if you're indoors you should be using at least the foam that comes with the mic. -Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glen Deakin Report post #36 Posted July 3 The 4017c is awesome. What suspension are you using with the microphone? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ivica Report post #37 Posted July 11 Hi Suspension is original Rycote. But i think that mic capsule is broken becouse when i try my c amp with another 4017 capsule it is working fine.I send mic back to DPA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian Report post #38 Posted July 22 Friend of mine just bought this mic and loves the sound , but found that the foam that came with it is just not great at attenuation wind when moving the mic indoors from side to side. Besides the tact cable, is there a special indoor foam that people are using with success.? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikewest Report post #39 Posted July 22 I have boomed naked - well wearing a Nagra and headphones! BTW I have used my Sanken mikes in tropical /humid countries for years including my stereo CSS-5 for 15 years!! no problems. mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mikko Kolehmainen Report post #40 Posted July 22 6 hours ago, Brian said: Friend of mine just bought this mic and loves the sound , but found that the foam that came with it is just not great at attenuation wind when moving the mic indoors from side to side. Besides the tact cable, is there a special indoor foam that people are using with success.? I agree! The foam isn't good when moving. I would like to know about better solutions as well.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ramallo Report post #41 Posted July 22 IMMO I think we should ask DPA to do a C preamp with fixed high pass filter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Constantin Report post #42 Posted July 22 IMMO I think we should ask DPA to do a C preamp with fixed high pass filter, if we write many, probably they consider itI agree, but that's only for boom noises and low freq hums. It's not going to help much with swooshes from fast booming I agree! The foam isn't good when moving. I would like to know about better solutions as well..I agree as well. It's the same with the Schoeps foam, it's crap, too. Rycote has foams in offer, and then there are softie type solutions, like the softie or Bublebee's windkiller, etc. Although, I just thought, the foam that comes with the 8060 looks better, but I haven't actually tried it yet. It's also a similar diameter, but of course it's too long for the 4017c Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Immoral Mr Teas Report post #43 Posted July 22 9 hours ago, mikewest said: I have boomed naked - well wearing a Nagra and headphones! BTW I have used my Sanken mikes in tropical /humid countries for years including my stereo CSS-5 for 15 years!! no problems. mike Priceless Mike! What a way to make a point! Although some might suggest that the Nagra 4.2 and DT48s combo equals "well dressed" ... J 2 hours ago, Constantin said: Although, I just thought, the foam that comes with the 8060 looks better, but I haven't actually tried it yet. It's also a similar diameter, but of course it's too long for the 4017c Would that not just be a long version of the 'open' foams that come with the 8050 et al? If so, I would guess it wouldn't be much better for swings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Constantin Report post #44 Posted July 22 Would that not just be a long version of the 'open' foams that come with the 8050 et al? If so, I would guess it wouldn't be much better for swings.Possible, I don't know. I only have the 8060 one and I never use it or the mic. To be honest I haven't spent much time evaluating different foams, as they have never really been an issue for me. Whenever a boom op needs to do a fast move which creates noise, they will put it between words so nothing willne lost. It's easy to replace that noise later. I've never had an issue with that on words. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Immoral Mr Teas Report post #45 Posted July 22 Re foams - Not sure how this might relate to the new invision or any other mount for the DPA 4017C, but I wonder if anyone has tried the old Lightwave mini Zeppelin as an indoor screen? I was never a fan of the design of this nor the (awful) fur that fit over it but I have a couple that I've used for on-camera mics - it's basically 5cm diameter of air with a plastic mesh with nylon, and they did a few lengths one or two of which I expect would suit the DPA and the mini Schoeps. I'd expect a suitable length bubblebee or (if in the works) rycote sausage-ball to do a better job though. Jez Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glen Deakin Report post #46 Posted July 22 Rycote sausage-ball. Nice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
