soundslikejustin Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Panasonic have a new 4K capable camera, should be on sale in April. Has an interesting add-on that gives multiple SDI outputs, TC input, 2 XLR ins, and External DC. More info here: http://cinescopophilia.com/panasonic-dmc-gh4-4k-camera-press-release-specs/ And the 'Interface Unit' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael McQueen Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 very interesting. as a gh3 owner this looks really cool. i've been following the rumor sites the past couple of weeks on this. looks like the body is around $2,000 and the add on base is another $2000'sh. i'd imagine majority of users will not go for said base. for me and what i need a camera for, probably not. i just shoot for my own little projects and that add on wouldn't be needed. but i do hope that some of the rental companies like lens rentals and such will stock those. occasionally i'll get my camera rented on gigs i'm on, and having the add on option of sdi, timecode and xlr's is nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathaniel Robinson Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 I really like the image from hacked GH2s, and have seen nice stuff from stock GH3s. I like the idea of the base, but I think it will scare away all the handheld DSLR guys. Curious to see if the clean HDMI will work with other external recorders (SD Pix, Atomos Ninja,etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Feeley Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 That audio/grip is pretty big & awkward. Will be interesting to see & hear some in-the-wild video & audio from the camera. And will be interesting to see if Panasonic brings out a more video-friendly version of the camera around NAB time. Sort of like the AF100 without that camera's drawbacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek H Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Any headphone output? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Reilly Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcos Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 I really hope this actually works well. unfortunately some camera people might forego the add on because it will be "too heavy" or "cumbersome" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmahaAudio Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 The company that modifies that interface unit to work with a Canon 5D Mk2 or Mk3 will makes bags o'money... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Feeley Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Jim, the connector thingies (to use the technical term) make it look like adapting the GH4 base/grip to another camera would be quite an exercise. But if nothing else, hopefully this base will push a few more of the DSLR hordes to think again about audio, TC, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 That's a silly looking rig for a handheld doco cam, which is exactly how people will use it. These kinds of add-ons are not at all a panacea for bad audio on DSLRs. I just finished post on a doco feature shot with a similar device on a 7D, and they still managed to make the sound wretchedly unusable for at least 40% of the footage. philp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 I heard the extension will cost more like $4000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Reilly Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 "The 12V DC IN is highly compliant with large-capacity industrial battery and continuously supplies the DMC-GH4 with power" So..where does this battery go/mount? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 I think they're talking about an Anton-Bauer type battery that one would incorporate into a rig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Reilly Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Methinks also..but changes the form factor a bit. Picturing the cam and brick standalone is misleading. The add on is reportedly pretty light. But i wonder what resides in there. audio wise. Glorified pad down to base cam's mic level? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Methinks also..but changes the form factor a bit. Picturing the cam and brick standalone is misleading. The add on is reportedly pretty light. But i wonder what resides in there. audio wise. Glorified pad down to base cam's mic level? Good guess. philp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Feeley Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 That's a silly looking rig for a handheld doco cam, which is exactly how people will use it. These kinds of add-ons are not at all a panacea for bad audio on DSLRs. I just finished post on a doco feature shot with a similar device on a 7D, and they still managed to make the sound wretchedly unusable for at least 40% of the footage. I'm trying to be an optimist but not a pollyanna. If G4 buyers see that Panasonic suggests an add-on to get good audio, perhaps at least a couple G4 buyers will think, "maybe the basic camera's audio isn't good enough." And then maybe a few more will be interested in double-system sound. Like when producers find that the "backup" tracks I've recorded sound better than the tracks I sent to the camera. On the other hand, there's last week's gig where the scratch tracks I sent to a RED EPIC will probably be used in the final mix. Can't win them all…still trying to win a few... But I still wonder about the GH4. The 4K appears to be some variant on Quad AVCHD (24Mbps x 4 = pert near 100Mbps). The 200Mbps I-frame 1080p might be nice. But I'm not seeing tons of dynamic range (that could be web delivery or something else, of course). And as others say, what's really going on in that MaxiGrip? If the GH4 pix look good, I could see using a GH4 as a b-cam for an AF400 (ie- the "real video camera" version of the imager & processor, sort of like the half-baked AF100 should have been for the GH2). OK, maybe I am a pollyanna. And I'm wandering off topic for jws. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syncsound Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 I think that having SDI out for client monitoring will make the add-on attractive to buyers beyond the audio capabilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg sextro Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Wow that thing is ugly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomboom Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Maybe as a result of Panasonic's GH4 (?) Blackmagic is now hitting the shelves with its 4K cam at $3000 instead of the initial projected $4000 msrp... Larger chip than the Panasonic but weaker in terms of connextions. All in all, good news for us working w/ double system... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisnewton Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Just a note re: 4 SDI outputs on interface module. the four SDI ports are not redundant streams but signal is split for full 4K monitoring/recording. as I understand it, standard SDI stream will not provide full 4K signal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Reilly Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 FWIW, the SDI can also act as multiple HD outs based on menu settings. It does seem that A to D of audio occurs in add on box...so might have better components than cam in...i.e. not just coupler to cam analog in. Considering the cost relative to the cam..would hope so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Allen Posted April 8, 2014 Report Share Posted April 8, 2014 I have pre-ordered several GH4s (without YAGH add-ons). If anyone from jwsound wants to play with them when they arrive, give me a shout. This site is a goldmine of information for me (not primarily an audio guy, just a normal filmmaker) so I'd love to pay it back a bit. I took one look at the YAGH and thought "hmm... I'd rather put that $2K towards something from Sound Devices or Zaxcom..." Maybe Sound Devices will announce a 4K HDMI recorder that works with it (Atomos already have - and they have 2 channels of XLR with pre-amps, plus 8 channels of digital, presumably from the HD-SDI option - http://www.atomos.com/shogun/) My other thought was instead of the YAGH, get a Zaxcom QRX200 wireless receiver and plug that in to the GH4's minijack audio input. Monitor that feed via headphones plugged into the GH4. Send audio to it from TRX742 and / or TRXLA2 / TRXLT2, recording backup to SD card. Most of the time the audio feed from the QRX200 should be good... but in case of emergency or if you want better quality, go to the SD card backups and sync via Pluraleyes. Is that an utterly crazy idea? Otherwise, could run around with my 702T... but somehow the light weight setup of the GH4 kinda inspired me. Bruce Allen www.boacinema.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old school Posted April 8, 2014 Report Share Posted April 8, 2014 I too am considering a GH4 as I love the GH2 I use and want one of my own. Nothing wrong with any of your ideas Bruce, but I'd add you would be better off developing a partnership/relationship with a sound person as the 2 jobs are quite different and as they say, "2 heads are better than one". CrewC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Visser Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 Any of you m43 users have any experience with the Tokina 11-16? I was wondering if I purchased a Canon EF mount version and used a Chinese "focal reducer" speed booster type of adapter, if the Tokina would vignette on a m43 sensor? It is designed to cover APS-C and actually covers FF at the tele end... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crussell Posted May 3, 2014 Report Share Posted May 3, 2014 I've seen the 11-16 on some AF-100s. Does a decent job. A couple of ops I work with love it. If you put it on a Meta Bones or something like that won't it be nearly fish eye though? 11 is pretty wide on 4/3 already, wouldn't the adapter make it nearly an 8 on the system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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