Tim M Posted June 18, 2014 Report Share Posted June 18, 2014 Damn auto correct "behringer"...At infocomm right now since I couldn't make NAB... heard they are shipping the cards interested if anybody is using it into a sound devices product. Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Coomer Posted June 18, 2014 Report Share Posted June 18, 2014 I looked into it a few weeks back, but there was one "feature" that was a deal breaker -- the left 8 faders are for inputs, the right 8 are for the groups/busses/matrices and NOT re-assignable to be used as input faders. To have more than 8 channels of control, you need to operate in layers on the left side. Otherwise, a very nice looking board. It coulda been a contender... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Mega Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 The mic pre's in any of these digital consoles in this price range are not good/quiet enough for film/tv in my opinion Otherwise nice consoles like Soundcraft Si Expression, Allen and Heath QU-24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Marien Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 The mic pre's in any of these digital consoles in this price range are not good/quiet enough for film/tv in my opinion Otherwise nice consoles like Soundcraft Si Expression, Allen and Heath QU-24 I second Peter in his opinion. I could be a good solution to use better front end preamps like a metric halo rack or even a API luchbox (a bit heavy for a cart though). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 Isn't the X32 a USB interface on itys own, anyhow? p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent R. Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 The mic pre's in any of these digital consoles in this price range are not good/quiet enough for film/tv in my opinion Otherwise nice consoles like Soundcraft Si Expression, Allen and Heath QU-24 Care to share what your opinions are based on? You have some examples we can hear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Mega Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 I've heard them. If you've heard a Mackie then you'll know what I mean. They're fine for live sound, gigs, bands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent R. Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 Aren't there some feature movies mixed by some fellow forum members on such mackies..? Or am I opening a can of worms now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Mega Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 Sure, you can mix anything with these mixers. But let's face it, the pre's on a 788 for example, or Cooper, AD, Sonosax etc, and these consoles are chalk and cheese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent R. Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 Sure you can be right. I don't know, I didn't A/B-ed them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Youngman Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaK-yaGB0BA A comparison between the x32 Si Expression M-200i And 24.4.2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Wexler Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 The sad reality regarding most of these discussions about the quality of mic preamps in low cost mixers is that for all those people that have gone totally wireless, the mic preamp isn't in the mixing panel --- it's in the wireless transmitter. Everyone that I know who uses wireless almost exclusively feeds the mixer line level signals. At line level, there are very few if any discernible differences in the inputs amongst all these low cost mixers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Orusa Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 I've used the Behringer X32 quite a bit and found the preamps to be quite good. It helps that Behringer bought Midas and incorporated some of it's circuit designs and technology into these consoles. I have used the X32 for some foley work and the pres were very quiet and nice sounding, which is more than I can say for many other products. The graphic EQs aren't very good, though. Mark O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim M Posted June 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 The sad reality regarding most of these discussions about the quality of mic preamps in low cost mixers is that for all those people that have gone totally wireless, the mic preamp isn't in the mixing panel --- it's in the wireless transmitter. Everyone that I know who uses wireless almost exclusively feeds the mixer line level signals. At line level, there are very few if any discernible differences in the inputs amongst all these low cost mixers. Yes exactly. I would rarely if ever use the preamps myself... Not sure all the talk about it means to most people. but if it doesn't have the routing option and fader usage... then it may not be a good product for us. Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim M Posted June 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 I've used the Behringer X32 quite a bit and found the preamps to be quite good. It helps that Behringer bought Midas and incorporated some of it's circuit designs and technology into these consoles. I have used the X32 for some foley work and the pres were very quiet and nice sounding, which is more than I can say for many other products. The graphic EQs aren't very good, though. Mark O. I assumed the same... the combined product power of the Chinese and USA... Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Durfy Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 Wow, serious bummer about the X32 only being able to mix 8 ISO channels! I hope that changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Mega Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 The QU-24 has 24 dedicated faders for all 24 mic/line inputs. Also has fader layers for other functions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidm Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 And the QU-24 doesn't have Dante. Another option might be the Soundraft Expression 16 which has both expansion slots for a Dante card and word clock in. DM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 Vincent: " Aren't there some feature movies mixed by some fellow forum members on such mackies. " sure... and I have frequently said that it isn't about the arrows... and as our host reminds us again, the pre's in the mixer may be subservient to the pre's in the wireless TX's... and I was at infoCOMM yesterday and saw lots of different equipment not designed for typical Production Sounbd for movies, and some of it is quite impressive. I also saw a line of (just) decent water resistant, tough headphones and headsets designed to handle the rough use in schools. Also saw a tiny new RE-92 Lav from EV-Telex... AT is showing mic's that are Dante directly... TASCAM had a large cabinet full of their antiques under a couple racks of their current professional products... and visited the Video Devices booth (not in the Audio section of the floor, though still listed in the show guide as Sound Devices!)... and the Behringer folks claim that the Midas line remains as top shelf as it was before the merger... reminder: our world of Production Sound is a tiny part of the Sound business.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickreich Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 I looked into it a few weeks back, but there was one "feature" that was a deal breaker -- the left 8 faders are for inputs, the right 8 are for the groups/busses/matrices and NOT re-assignable to be used as input faders. To have more than 8 channels of control, you need to operate in layers on the left side. Otherwise, a very nice looking board. It coulda been a contender... I'm pretty sure that in the latest version of firmware, the x32 and the x32 Compact as shown above (but not the x32 Producer version) can spill channels into the right-hand set of faders, giving you 16 input channels on your surface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Coomer Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 I'm pretty sure that in the latest version of firmware, the x32 and the x32 Compact as shown above (but not the x32 Producer version) can spill channels into the right-hand set of faders, giving you 16 input channels on your surface. The Producer was the one I auditioned because it is rack mountable. The x32 and x32 Compact are too big for a cart. I liked the board, especially for its price point - hopefully they will bring that functionality to the Producer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 Vincent: " Aren't there some feature movies mixed by some fellow forum members on such mackies. " sure... and I have frequently said that it isn't about the arrows... But you also consider the Zooms of this world toys so there it must be a bit about the arrow. Btw, in archery the better arrow helps the archer, too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 ... and visited the Video Devices booth (not in the Audio section of the floor, though still listed in the show guide as Sound Devices!)... That's because the company is called Sound Devices Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 Constantin: " But you also consider the Zooms of this world toys " I consider the Zoom's to be toys, and not professional tools, but there have been movies made with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Gilchrist Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 Constantin: " But you also consider the Zooms of this world toys " I consider the Zoom's to be toys, and not professional tools, but there have been movies made with them. Boy, oh boy. I, for one, am glad we got that thorny topic squared away. Best regards, Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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