OmahaAudio Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhrS82KEBcw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 IMO: she cannot sing even with autotune... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Rose Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 As of Thursday, noon EDT, the clip has been blocked because of a copyright claim. Anybody got a mirror? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfisk Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I saw on Yahoo some producer was saying it was just a warm up take. Uh...sorry...I've never heard even a warm up take with LOTS of professional singers sound as bad as that did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmfsnd Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 Here's another classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUQZsIJPDrw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmahaAudio Posted July 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 As of Thursday, noon EDT, the clip has been blocked because of a copyright claim. Anybody got a mirror? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/music-news/10958856/Britney-Spears-hear-her-singing-without-autotune-to-Alien.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 Here's another classic... Enrique was really embarrassed by that, to the point that he wound up doing a half-dozen talk show appearances to prove he actually could sing live. Howard Stern chided him for about 20 minutes, but Enrique did sing a couple of songs live in the studio. He couldn't quite hit all the notes, but I'd say he nailed about 93% of them, which is not bad for 7:30 in the morning. The engineer on the album claims that this was a "vocal warm up" by the artist that somehow managed to slip out. I have it on very good authority from some big-name mixers that there are some contemporary artists who waltz into the studio, do a maximum of three takes on a song, and they're gone in less than an hour. They just tell the engineer, "comp the vocals and autotune what doesn't work." Period. A few are perfectionists and will rehearse for a couple of days with a vocal coach and the producer, then they'll come in and actually work all day on 20, 30, 40 takes. But I don't think that happens today the way it used to. People forget that there's a huge history of pop singers who couldn't really sing, going back 50-60 years. One of the most infamous was Gary Lewis (son of comedian Jerry Lewis), who had a dozen Top 40 hits and basically used a stand-in for most of his songs. You might call the other guy -- whose name was Ron Hicklin -- a "stunt double." Nowadays, more than 45 years after his last album, Lewis can actually sing a little bit and does do most of his live vocals in oldies shows. On the other hand, then there's the great Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys, who hasn't been able to hit the high notes in more than 20 years. He's got ace vocalist Jeff Foskett in his backup group, and Foskett sounds more like Brian Wilson (and his late brother Carl) than they did -- an impeccable singer. The live results are phenomenal. It's all illusion. But I gotta say, Autotune, Melodyne, all that fake stuff really makes me wince... especially when you can hear how flangey, metallic, and fake it sounds. It makes the singers sound totally robotic to me and just takes all their humanity away. I have no problem with a singer doing 20 takes and then having an engineer comp every word and every phrase, splicing up each take to get a single perfect performance. At least that's made with their real voice and doesn't sound like a robot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 Matt: (posted Enrique cannot sing) TRUE... I mentioned on jwsoundgroup several years ago the difficult experience we had ringing out his sound check in the Stadium (for Pro-Bowl half-time show) only to find that his stealthily installed auto-tune device (included in the portable rack his team provided with "his personal" radio mic RX) was the culprit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 This has nothing to do with warm-up. The lack of a warm-up means you can't hit really high notes or really low ones, your voice may not sound as nice and so on, but singing in tune is something that a pro singer will always be able to do. It's a pathetic excuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Karlsson Posted July 11, 2014 Report Share Posted July 11, 2014 There's nothing new about using auto tune. Even the best singers have it applied, whether they themselves know it or not (very subtle settings to add polish), because we are so used to hearing "perfect" now. Before auto-tune, there were "back-up" singers and/or recorded tracks used for "live" performances. Still used today in addition to the tuned live sound. However, I have a feeling that the Britney thing is fake. Sounds to me as if there's actually auto-tune engaged, but set to the wrong key - or someone having fun with Melodyne. Just listen to the artifacts in the breakdown around 0:50-1:00. Anyway, who cares? Magicians are fake (sorry), and actors don't do their own stunts (except in Hong Kong, of course). The end result is what counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Eh, when you hear the metallic, edgy tone in vocals, to me that gives it all away. If I can't hear the effect and it just sounds like a good vocal, then the illusion is maintained and the song could theoretically be entertaining. I just hate a technical flaw like Autotune-flanging being used as a creative effect, because it sounds lousy. To me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrider Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 This is the equivalent of showing a blooper reel of a movie. Granted some bloopers can be amusing, but the vast majority of them are missed marks and flubbed lines that aren't worth watching. I don't know why we are giving this much attention to what could have been the very first time she attempted to sing a song. Would we be holding up an actor to this level of scrutiny on a rehearsal take? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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