soundtrane Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 This just came in:Dear audio professionals, As there has been a lot of discussion in professional audio circles recently I would like to provide the following general information to assist you in your choice of battery packs. Inspired Energy is the manufacturer of the following Audioroot battery packs: eSMART Li-89Wh eSMART Li-98Wh eSMART Li45Wh eSMART Li49Wh (This is not a secret – It is a requirement that the manufacturer is identified on the battery label in the FCC compliance box). The above Audioroot products are based on our following standard models but they are NOT identical: NH2054HD31 NH2054HD34 ND2054HD31 ND2054HD34 - The Audioroot batteries have different firmware which is custom for Audioroot only & which is proprietary to them.- The Audioroot batteries are only available from Audioroot & their distributors; not from Inspired Energy.- The Inspired Energy std. batteries should not operate the Audioroot device because the firmware is different.- If our batteries do operate the Audioroot devices it may be a fortunate coincidence, or it may be intentional by Audioroot. Either way we have no knowledge of compatibility or otherwise.- Inspired Energy standard batteries are designed for use in a variety of applications: Medical, Military, Industrial, Test & Measurement, Robotics, Lighting etc.- If you choose to replace a custom Audioroot battery with a standard battery you do so at your own risk. Audioroot have chosen to implement custom firmware in their battery to suit their particular device, & a standard Inspired Energy battery cannot be returned to us because it does not operate an Audioroot device. It can only be returned for replacement under our standard 1 year warranty.I hope this helps to de-mystify the questions that have been raised on this subject. With best regards, Dave Baggaley, Sales & Marketing Director, Inspired Energy, LLC Tel: +1 352 472 4855 x12 Fax: +1 352 472 4859 www.inspiredenergy.com <http://www.inspiredenergy.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Wexler Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Thank you for that, Vin, good detective work. This is a very clear explanation from the manufacturer regarding their batteries as utilized by AudioRoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ze Frias Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Good to know indeed. Thanks Vin! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobbiesodd Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 It would appear the "fortunate coincidence" is across the board as users here have been using IE batteries with Audio Root distro systems with great success. Cheers, Evan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ze Frias Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 It would appear the "fortunate coincidence" is across the board as users here have been using IE batteries with Audio Root distro systems with great success. Cheers, Evan To me, it seems that the audio root distros were made to work with SMBus capable batteries, not just their own, and that IE designed batteries that are SMBus capable. I know both of my audioroot distros work with the IE batteries, so I will continue to purchase batteries from them. Obviously at my own risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent R. Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Or ask/mail audio root Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundtrane Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 The 'firmware' being referred to is obviously the SMBus stuff - that allows monitoring of state of charge etc. i guess if the IE batteries are working well with the distribution systems it is all good. in any case, the firmware has nothing to do with the actual functioning of the battery - which is to provide current at particular voltage for x hours at Y load... as he said 'fortunate coincidence'... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Thomas Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Just got a 48Whr RRC battery in the post today along with charger and some leads. Here it is next to a hawk woods NP35. Build quality on the charger isn't up to much, so may get the newer audioroot one instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erkal Taskin Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 How much more practical is SMBus? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ze Frias Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 How much more practical is SMBus? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk I'd say very practical: These batteries and distro give me amazingly valuable information, that better help me make decisions about what I can and cannot do: - Percentage and voltage left on the battery - Time left remaining until battery drain, based on what the current draw is - What the current draw is - Battery temperature - How many discharge cycles the battery has gone through Edit: BTW, the picture above is from my Maxx bag, using the eSMART BG-DH MKII and an Inspired Energy 98Wh battery, which powers my Maxx, 2 QRXs and a Betso TCD-1 for over 8 hours of uninterrupted power. It certainly lasts me an entire day when I power down between breaks and whatnot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnpaul215 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Jose: can't you train them to compute that data for other batteries too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erkal Taskin Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Well it does look good but why cant one make a distro that calculates that info based on the voltage? I like the cycle count tho Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shastapete Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Johnpaul, I know you can with the BG-DU (as it has a hirose power input) the BG-DH MKII that José posted has a hardwired power connector Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnpaul215 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Johnpaul, I know you can with the BG-DU (as it has a hirose power input) the BG-DH MKII that José posted has a hardwired power connector right right right gotcha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erkal Taskin Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 So you can connect a battery without smbus and get remaining time information? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ze Frias Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Jose: can't you train them to compute that data for other batteries too? As Peter mentioned, the BG-DU does allow you to train it for up to 8 different non-SMBus-capable batteries, the caveat here, though, is that every time you swap the battery, it assumes the new battery is fully charged, otherwise, the telemetry is all wrong. Not an issue, but an inconvenience rather. SMBus batteries get rid of all this, because the battery is in constant communication with the micro controller in the distro, always supplying up to date info. Once you go SMBus, you never go back. Well it does look good but why cant one make a distro that calculates that info based on the voltage? I like the cycle count tho Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk What I said above to Johnpaul applies. You can, but it really isn't as effective as just having a battery that does have SMBus. So you can connect a battery without smbus and get remaining time information? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk No, it assumes that the battery is fully charged after swapping. If you turn off the distro and turn it back on with the same battery plugged in, it will just pick up wherever it left off previously. When you swap batteries, it will assume the new battery is fully charged. If it isn't, all of the telemetry will be off. Which is why SMBus is just more convenient and effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erkal Taskin Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Thanks Jose. Unfortunately their battery capacity is not high enough for me and my power hungry 788. I only managed to find peace once I ditched NP1s and settled for LiPo's, but was always interested in an Audioroot distro. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ze Frias Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Thanks Jose. Unfortunately their battery capacity is not high enough for me and my power hungry 788. I only managed to find peace once I ditched NP1s and settled for LiPo's, but was always interested in an Audioroot distro. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk No problem! If you don't mind me asking, what sort of capacity are we talking here? What batteries are you currently using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erkal Taskin Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 No problem! If you don't mind me asking, what sort of capacity are we talking here? What batteries are you currently using? I have 2x22ah Tracers which are heavier and larger then I would like them to be, but can get my entire bag through a very very long day pretty easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted March 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 I rather carry less weight and switch battery once a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginufuk Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 I rather carry less weight and switch battery once a day. Well... Turkey has different insurance policies then the US I do agree with Rado. 1300gram battery for bag work sounds too much to me. (Assuming that's the way you use it) I use 2*25amp for cart. Can't imagine using them on the go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shastapete Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Engin, what are you running on your cart these days? I know on "The way I remember it" you kept it all "bag mode" with nps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erkal Taskin Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 I rather carry less weight and switch battery once a day. I dont switch at all or maybe 1 time towards the end of the day if I am running 6 channels non stop and its a long day. Well... Turkey has different insurance policies then the US I do agree with Rado. 1300gram battery for bag work sounds too much to me. (Assuming that's the way you use it) I use 2*25amp for cart. Can't imagine using them on the go. I am not sure what insurance has anything to do with it. I don't know what you guys use as a mixer/recorder but 788+cl8 draws a lot of power, plus I have 5 receivers, their housing and 2 transmitters, so NP1's are just a hassle to deal with. 1 of my Swit NP1's weighs about 700g, which is about 5ah and is bearly enough for a couple of hours, I would need roughly 6-8 of them to get through the day, but a 22ah Tracer weighs less than 2 of those, so its not THAT bad for the amount of power it provides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnpaul215 Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 I use a 90Wh v-mount and switch at lunch, even though i never actually need to. The second one will almost always last the rest of the day, unless it gets really long. I have 3 anyway. Though, I have a Nomad, so it's not as power hungry. That's why these 98Wh batteries are looking really good to me. There're a lot smaller and lighter than my B4B V-mounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginufuk Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Engin, what are you running on your cart these days? I know on "The way I remember it" you kept it all "bag mode" with nps Hi Peter, Great to hear from you! You remember it right!! Since then I have 2 of Powerizer 25Ah running the 788, lectro, micplexer, BST75 combo... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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