jonathan chiles Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 I know this topic gets discussed frequently and can become tiresome but would appreciate your input here. There is a good thread going on in the "Equipment" section where folks are talking openly about what they are getting weekly for network TV shows. I would like to know from people in the US, UK, Europe and worldwide what they are getting daily on bag jobs. In my market in my part of the world we have no unions or any organizations looking after our shared interests and are now doing our best to get everyone together and determine fair minimum rates for our gear packages. In trying to find a new standard that fits our market it would be really helpful to know how others are billing for gear around the world. I think this could be a helpful reference for many others also. Would like to hear where you are based and your "numbers" for a "standard" package: Mixer hard wired to camera 2 x Professional wireless lavs (Lectro, Wisy, Zax, Senn, Micron Audio Ltd) Boom Boom Mic w Rycote Then for extra a la carte items: Wireless Hop TC Recorder Extra Wireless lav IFB Tx IFB Rx And also NB what if any discounts are you giving for weekly deals? Thanks in advance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 I'm not the best person to answer this bag work, as I mostly do cart based stuff. Also my rate varies wildly depending on the project and, more importantly, client. One thing is absolutely certain, though: NO discounts for longer projects! If production wants to pay less, I bring less. There are unions here in Germany, which are not bad, especially for the hours and overtime and all that. But the unions don't care at all about gear rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VASI Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 The union here do not care about gear rates, only labor. So everyone doing whatever wants. I know, I am not helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Spaeth Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Good idea, Jonathan! How about you post your numbers first? For me the gear package is almost never the same on two different jobs. Could be 100 Euros per day, could be 300. I read in a thread on this group some time ago that between 1 and 2% of the purchase price of each piece of kit is a fair daily rental rate, and I think that is a good starting point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engaudio Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Would like to hear where you are based and your "numbers" for a "standard" package: Mixer hard wired to camera 2 x Professional wireless lavs (Lectro, Wisy, Zax, Senn, Micron Audio Ltd) Boom Boom Mic w Rycote = $550nzd per 10hr day including labour, plus GST (tax) @ 15% Then for extra a la carte items: Wireless Hop $125+ TC Recorder $120+ Extra Wireless lav $75-100 IFB Tx $30 IFB Rx $30 Grant. New Zealand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Gilbert Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 UK calling! Mixer hard wired to camera 2 x Professional wireless lavs (Lectro, Wisy, Zax, Senn, Micron Audio Ltd) Boom Boom Mic w Rycote £100 Then for extra a la carte items: Wireless Hop £50 TC Recorder £50 Extra Wireless lav £25 IFB Tx £15 IFB Rx £10 And also NB what if any discounts are you giving for weekly deals? Absolutely none, ever, and I mean ever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_bollard Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 One thing is absolutely certain, though: NO discounts for longer projects! If production wants to pay less, I bring less. . Constantin - absolutely with you - for me everyday is a different day I could be charging full rate for my services and equipment. My overheads aren't less over 8 weeks than for a single day, so what I charge shouldn't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikewest Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 It all depends on the size of the production and the budget Negotiation is the way and if you like or need the job! mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan chiles Posted September 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2014 Thanks for replies gents, I think its great for reference to have at least ballpark figures from around the world. Especially since we are all mostly using the same or similar gear. I know the rates do vary from job to job but it can be such a grey area that we end up undercutting each other. We are trying to establish guide lines here for our market so at least there is some sort of standard to refer to. I should of course post some numbers for our market, these vary wildly between local and foreign clients and if a local prod company gets in the middle or not. Mixer hard wired to camera 2 x Professional wireless lavs (Lectro, Wisy, Zax, Senn, Micron Audio Ltd) Boom Boom Mic w Rycote Usually $150 minimum at present Then for extra a la carte items: Wireless Hop Between $50 - $75 TC Recorder Usually $50 - $75 on top of basic package Extra Wireless lav Usually $50 IFB Tx Usually $15 IFB Rx Usually $15 And also NB what if any discounts are you giving for weekly deals? Sometimes we are pressured to do 4 day weeks, but generally bill full kit rates for each shoot day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted September 20, 2014 Report Share Posted September 20, 2014 Constantin: " NO discounts for longer projects! " of course some of us disagree, and we also feel we have valid reasons for doing so... the cost of the item is one factor, and its projected usefull (rental) life, along with what is typical wear and tear, and maintenance need to also be considered. and then comes the client, and negotiations begin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted September 20, 2014 Report Share Posted September 20, 2014 Constantin: " NO discounts for longer projects! " of course some of us disagree, and we also feel we have valid reasons for doing so... the cost of the item is one factor, and its projected usefull (rental) life, along with what is typical wear and tear, and maintenance need to also be considered. and then comes the client, and negotiations begin... Of course some of us disagree. Although the reasons you listed are only supporting my statement. I'm not saying I will get through with this stance every time, but it is a starting point, and I do usually stick with it. There may be an addition to my "No discounts" statement. If the project is really long, then we can talk about it. Anyway, as I said, it's different for every job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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