afewmoreyears Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 I am sure it sounds great...but... Naaaaaaa Other weapons seem much better for my uses... The battery in a bag slot is just fine... Being inside the machine is not a game changer.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 "This is a recorder." Perhaps it shouldn't be that way entirely, but certainly I could compensate for any limitations that fortunately are negligible in my line of work. I'd even take a crankshaft over the power button to get that kind of dynamic range :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent R. Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 I read somewhere it does AVB. Get the new Mini Motu AVB thingy and you have 8 extra outputs. The Motu works on 15v I believe so ideal for cart users. My guess is that's what Sonosax means with this statement. AVB/Dante Madi will give you all the options you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvanstry Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 Personally I think that making a statement about it being a recorder is not up to date with how most of us work. Plus being a recorder but with optional modules, one being a fader pack is even worst. The reason is, if it is only a recorder, the philosophy in the past was to add a mixer in front of it to deal with all the other needs ( inputs and outputs ). But it has a fader option that will not add any outs or ins so you are still left with what is on the recorder itself. Of course one could buy a mixer but what is the point to design something and not being at least up to modern work requirement. Again this unit/package is extremely tempting for a lot of people but when I ask around it is 100% the same answer, without additional outputs, it does not fit what the needs are now. There are very few people just needing a recorder. It is the age of the mixer/recorder. pretty please... Again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 Pascal, Honestly I rather have the fader controller then the analog mixer that you designed with PSC. Adding a costly mixer in front of the modern recorder is "IMHO" not worth it. I believe the age of the mixer in front of a recorder is getting behind us. Even Sound Devices have a digital mixer/recorder now. Lets be honest. All recorders are good and do pretty much the same thing. All that matters "too me" is convenience,ergonomics and integration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 This is a beautiful looking machine, and if they run true to historic form then the analogue audio will be excellent. The modularity is brilliant, and to be able to make the same core machine have more Ips and/or slider faders is brilliant. 2 x analogue OPs simply wont hack it. It needs 6 x analogue OPs, each of which can be fed any IP channels either pre or post fader and or any mix channels. Its as simple as that. This 'could' be a fantastic machine, but it is currently not so. Kindest regards, Simon B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olle Sjostrom Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 Heck even the lowly Dr680 has six outputs. Plus digital out... Never used more than two, but hey. That Dante point is pretty moot IMHO.. Having to put another converter or box in your kit to get more outputs is stupid if there's a better solution,that Pascal already stated. This looks great, but I concur that if it doesn't have more outputs than that I won't be buying it. Even if there's Dante and whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engaudio Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 Damn, I was keen on getting one hoping it was a 633 on steroids. It's next to useless for us bag mixers wanting/needing to plug into a camera &/or needing a wireless hop option too. Sounds like sound devices will be getting my money instead, it's too much for such a lack of simple features. Pity, a missed opportunity from Sonosax to service a huge slice of the market, I hope you're taking note of the responses from your clients Mr Sax.. Grant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 I have not used a snake in years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 +1, or at least not when I can help it. I'm really looking forward to some hands-on reports about this machine. philp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 I have not used a snake in years... Not a snake, but for a wireless hop you'd needs outputs, too. And if there is a boomer, a second output is a must. Two outputs are a must for me, although AES might be fine. when there is a boom-op I need two outs, but I can usually rest my bag or have the recorder on my cart, so I wouldn't mind the extra weight for a converter box Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 are people proposing a converter box plugged into the rj45? If so does mean it's a dante box (d to a)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Spaeth Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 While I have never needed more than two outputs, another one or two might indeed be wise to add to the machine. For the high price point the option should be there. Maybe it could be done the easy way by switching some of the inputs to outputs via software, like on some SD machines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent R. Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 are people proposing a converter box plugged into the rj45? If so does mean it's a dante box (d to a)? I believe website says Dante and AVB. So there you have your virtually unlimited inputs/outputs.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Thomas Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 are people proposing a converter box plugged into the rj45? If so does mean it's a dante box (d to a)? The TA3 out is switchable to AES3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Thomas Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 As for the RJ45, this could be a solution for getting a load more outputs:http://www.motu.com/products/avb/ultralite-avb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent R. Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 Thats what I wrote, about 2 times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r.paterson Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 I wonder if the level controls are just that gain.controls and not faders like on the original r x4, I built a little return amp switcher for my 788. Could use that or similar for return..also wonder what the rf spill is like...certainly interested in the new unit...richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Thomas Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 Thats what I wrote, about 2 times Sorry about that- didn't realise I'd missed some of the middle of this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Richard Thomas Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 There are now block diagrams and a page for the AD8+ up now on the sonosax site. The RJ45 connection will supply PoE. There's a studio technologies box (model 5202) which will run dante to 2x analogue XLR and a headphone output and work over PoE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VASI Posted March 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 R4+ AD8+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvanstry Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Now we only need to know if the R4+ can supply outputs on Dante and if so how it works ( matrix, busses, mixing busses or nothing. ). Also will there be some sort of limiters on those outputs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dolo72 Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 I wonder if the level controls are just that gain.controls and not faders like on the original r x4, I built a little return amp switcher for my 788. Could use that or similar for return..also wonder what the rf spill is like...certainly interested in the new unit...richard Can't speak about the sx r4+ but I have had no problems with rf spill from the SX r4. I haven't felt the need to even scan it with the Rf scanner - the worst machine for UK channel 38 is the 788t terrible with 2040's - I have had a bit of rf output from my zfr100 also but it's so small I just move it out of the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngooch Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 RF spill on SX-r4.... I found it depended on the block. Really glad your R4 is working out well for you Lisala! I found that certain blocks could be a challenge. Of course- with such a small recorder- you want to have a small bag- and have all your gear very close to each other. Moving a few inches one way or another, can make a huge difference... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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