chrisyking Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 So I'm trying to decide between a wisycom kit at £3.2k or a lectrosonics at 3.5k. Both kits are dual receiver and two transmitters. So my question is, how important is 100mW? 1) The wisycoms in the UK can't do 100mW 2) lectrosonics can do 100mW 3) wisycom can work with sennheiser tx which can be 100mW 4) wisycom are currently wideband, lectrosonics aren't So, the question is, do I wait for the wideband lectrosonics or just go get the wisycom kit? What say you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Anderson Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 I rarely bump my SMQV's beyond 50mw finding that after scanning and setting on a clear frequency, the range is fine for the majority of situations I'm recording. There have been occasions when 100mw and even 250mw has been helpful, but transmit power wasn't the main reason I chose Lectrosonics for my wireless sets. One consideration is for the times you'll want to tune into another recordist's transmitter when working the same shoot. The proximity to service is another consideration when sending something to the mother ship and how long it will take back and forth. The wide band L series Lectro sets are expected in the wild sooner than later and are 50 to 100mw selectable, but again to say in my experience 50mw has been more than sufficient so for me anyway transmit power isn't the main consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonG Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 I recommend reading the manuals on either system and weighing your needs vs the options. Both are very good systems, and Lectro has a new line out btw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Almalvez Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 I have been using my Wisys here in the US, in my experience I haven't been getting good range with them. My good ol' Lectro 211s do better in distance, other than that they sound great with DPAs and the wideband has saved me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisyking Posted November 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Anyone have any info on lectrosonics new range? Can't see anything on the site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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studiomprd Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 CK: " So my question is, how important is 100mW?... So, the question is, do I wait for the wideband lectrosonics or just go get the wisycom kit? " somewhat, but it depends; and that is up to you. " Anyone have any info on lectrosonics new range? Can't see anything on the site. " it has been frequently discussed here... so the question is: where have you been..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudRaymond Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Fyi, Lectro also works with Senn. There is no substitute for adequate power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 BR: " There is no substitute for adequate power " and what is adequate ? and, in any case, I differ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VM Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Both are very good, it is a personnal choice ! I choose Wisy because I am travelling a lot and the wide radioband is very helpfull. On documentaries most of the times I set the transmitters to 10mW power, without any problems. On feature on 50mW. Wisy receiver is capable to receive Sennheiser 5000 series and Evolution, Audio Limited and Shure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arnold Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 So I'm trying to decide between a wisycom kit at £3.2k or a lectrosonics at 3.5k. Both kits are dual receiver and two transmitters. So my question is, how important is 100mW? 1) The wisycoms in the UK can't do 100mW 2) lectrosonics can do 100mW 3) wisycom can work with sennheiser tx which can be 100mW 4) wisycom are currently wideband, lectrosonics aren't So, the question is, do I wait for the wideband lectrosonics or just go get the wisycom kit? What say you? Where in the UK are you finding Wisy for that price? The 'special deal' expired some time ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisyking Posted November 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Can wisycom receive lectro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisyking Posted November 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 studiomprd, you seem to be of the opinion that 50mW is adequate. I'm new to JW sound group so I have missed many of the conversations on this. Can you explain? Do you think I won't really need 100mW? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisyking Posted November 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Also, will the new lectros out in spring have the same wide band as the wisycom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arnold Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Can wisycom receive lectro? Not properly, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ze Frias Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Also, will the new lectros out in spring have the same wide band as the wisycom? The new L-series will be wideband, but will not be 240MHz wide (6+ blocks) like the Wisycom. The L-series will cover about 70MHz (3 blocks) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisyking Posted November 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 O.K. thanks, so it's basically down to the 50mW question then.... hmm..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arnold Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I have a friend who ordered an extra set he doesn't need. Well then, you are getting a premium wideband system at a bonus price. Whilst I don't know prices on future manufacturers wideband releases, they are unlikely to be cheaper than the reduced price Wisy and most likely more. Full price Wisy are VERY expensive. Worth considering if the TX are the units without limiters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 O.K. thanks, so it's basically down to the 50mW question then.... hmm.....Maybe I can help you with that: more than 50mW is illegal in the UK and Lectrosonics will sell their Europe version here which is limited to 50mW, which is the legal max anywhere in Europe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arnold Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 O.K. thanks, so it's basically down to the 50mW question then.... hmm..... Power isn't everything. This is predominately a US frequented forum and while many US mixers seem uncomfortable with our UK limit of 50mw I've found my own Lectro don't see much of an improvement in range at 100mw when using the 'rubber duckies'. 250mw can dramatically improve range for long walk and talks but it's not a magical cure. I had two TX out the other day at that power and whilst one of them provided startling range the other was fritzing all over the shop until it was within 25 yards of me. Good frequency coordination and better aerials on the RX work wonders. I have no scientific proof to back it up, but in my opinion our new CH38 is far more problematic than other 'illegal' channels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisyking Posted November 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Have to agree. I've found ch38 is a nightmare and hasn't been vacated properly yet. My question of using 100mW would be if I were to go to the US obvs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 CK: " Can you explain? " yes... the site search function is not as good as a Google search with jwsoundgroup.net as your first search term. " My question of using 100mW would be if I were to go to the US obvs " I don't find it obvious...In fact quite the contrary... but that is up to you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric D Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 The two systems have been recently tested by experienced users from my company, and were also measured . From a technical point of view, their quality is very similar, their range is also very similar . The Wisycom receiver is a true dual diversity receiver, the Lectro is not but during the tests no difference in range could be detected between the two . For the audio quality, both are excellent, but the Wisycom was slightly more natural sounding . The main difference between Wisycom and Lectrosonics is the very wideband for Wisycom and the much narrower band for Lectro . You really don't have to worry about the 50 mW power compared to 100 mW, the range difference is extremely low . The most important aspect to decide if you go for Wisy or for Lectro is the big difference in bandwidth . A wideband system such as the Wysicom is a guarantee that it can be used nearly everywheree in the world and in nearly any conditions (such as a lot of frequency users at the same place at the same time) . My opinion is that if the price difference is not so big, the Wisycom is probably the best choice . Hope this helps, and sorry for my bad English . Eric D Belgian Radio-Television Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) eric: " receiver is a true dual diversity receiver " the other is untrue ?? sorry, but they are both true diversity receivers, but use different forms of diversity, and as you noticed: " no difference in range could be detected between the two . " " the big difference in bandwidth . " and in reality, there are pros and cons to that...(just as comparing Yagi to LPDA antennae (sic) so which did you buy..? Edited November 21, 2014 by studiomprd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zijital Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I did a simple range test of when I was considering upgrading from my Lectro UM200 (100mW) & to a LMa (50mW). The 50 vs 100mW was a concern I was fretting about. They both cut out at about the same distance and my mind was made up, upgraded to the LMa & sold the UM200. YMMV, but I felt I wasn't losing anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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