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Not to deviate too much from the thread, but to follow up a little with what @Tunes and @Glen Trew are discussing: I've been playing around with my tape machines and have discovered that stereo 2-Track recordings made on a Nagra STC can be played on my Technics RS-1506 when the 2-Track playback head is enabled, and it sounds absolutely amazing, especially in 15ips Nagramaster. It actually sounds better than 4-Track recordings made on the Technics machine itself. I don't have the wide track head that is being discussed, but though I'd share a little of my musings. 

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Also don't want to deviate much more from the thread but for those curious about the difference between the IV-S heads (wide vs standard), there is a current ebay listing for an IV-S with a second set of heads which happen to be the wide-track ones. Not really noted in the description as anything special, but these wide-track heads are desirable among some folks. I have nothing to do with this listing and find the asking price too high but it does include these heads which are probably worth about $1000 on their own. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Owner-Nagra-IV-S-Stereo-Reel-to-Reel-Recorder-w-lot-of-accessories/263466035000?hash=item3d57cca738:g:bEsAAOSwZ11ab49P

 

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One of the more interesting accessories for the Nagra III found its way onto my workbench, and as I didn't find any information about the magnasync/moviola mixer anywhere else in the forum my hope is that one of the colleagues here remembers it.

As you can see, one of the previous owners did baad things to it and I'm trying to restore it to its former glory - any chance to get the schematics?

BTW, part of the eBay package was a SELA, also for the III, and it works pretty well. They are pretty hard to come by in Europe, might be easier in the US.

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Hi Vienna 
Whoever made it certainly tried to make it match a Nagra III 
But the control knobs, the metal rings around the knobs and even the radius of the corners of the case tells me it's nothing Nagra did..  Most likely it was made to sit under and match a Nagra III. I would think finding a schematic would be about as hard as finding another one of those. What does the top look like? 
 

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13 hours ago, JonG said:

Not to deviate too much from the thread, but to follow up a little with what @Tunes and @Glen Trew are discussing: I've been playing around with my tape machines and have discovered that stereo 2-Track recordings made on a Nagra STC can be played on my Technics RS-1506 when the 2-Track playback head is enabled, and it sounds absolutely amazing, especially in 15ips Nagramaster. It actually sounds better than 4-Track recordings made on the Technics machine itself. I don't have the wide track head that is being discussed, but though I'd share a little of my musings. 

 

Hi Jon. Keep in mind that a recording made with Nagra Master must be played back on a Nagra IV-S (or Nagra T-Audio) in Nagra Master mode.

 

Nagra Master recordings are done at 15ips, but with the pre-emphasis of a 7-1/2ips curve, requiring the Nagra Master playback setting during playback. I'm not aware of a Technics machine that has a Nagra Master playback mode. I imagine that when you playback a Nagra Master recording on a Technics machine, it sounds uncommonly sibilant and bright by comparison, which is not an accurate reproduction.

 

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Here are two more pictures of this elusive mixer.

I got one of the amplifier chains working but without the schematic, and considering the fact that one of the pre-owners decided to change many things, it might be quite difficult to find out about the original ideas of the developers.

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Thanks for the great read Joseph, and for re-posting the Prototype pictures!

For me the most interesting bit of info wasn't Nagra at all, but that the Stellavox SP7 had four speeds up to 30ips - any SP7 owners: is this true or did John Borwick just make a mistake??

Jez

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On 1/5/2018 at 12:32 AM, mikewest said:

 

 

 

 

Antoine was a wild man!

He stayed with us for a few days in LA in the late 80's.

I wonder where he is now?

Cheers!

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Hi Phil, yep I guessed it was just a misconception immortalised in print - possibly an enthusiastic European talking cm/s to a (then) hopeful Brit hearing ips .... just some of me was hoping there might have been a new holy grail to chase - the handful of stereo 30ips prototypes doing the trade shows in 1970. Of course, like all my rarebit dreams, it never happened.

 

I'm sure there probably WERE portable stereo (multichannel) 30ips machines around in the Nagra / Stellavox years, but they were portable in the 1940s (Alan Lomax) sense - not the sub-Nagra footprint I was lusting after. No Valentine for John Keays ...

 

J

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Yes, I'm watching that one. Seller does not know much about tape recorders - looks to be more of an estate / antique vendor so a bit of a crapshoot as to whether this unit has any functionality other than as a collectible museum piece.

 

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7 hours ago, Tunes said:

... crapshoot as to whether this unit has any functionality other than as a collectible museum piece.

 

Can't deny its beauty! Probably less use than a DR60 granted! Sorry! I'd love it - looks in lovely nick ...

 

Jez

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Nagra III sighting!

 

While watching a new Beatles doc on Netflix you can see Paul giving the thumbs up for tape loops with a nagra for "Tomorrow Never Knows"; early "Revolver" sessions. Heres a pic:

 

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13 hours ago, The Immoral Mr Teas said:

 

Yep I looked, ran out and bought a lottery ticket - but didn't win!

 

20 hours ago, JBond said:

I'm glad to see they still bring top dollar, I guess I got a good deal on mine. 

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I was watching this in hopes I might get lucky. No such luck! Beautiful machine but really surprised me that the auction went that high so I was out very early.

Hope the winner is able to get it operating.

 

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10 hours ago, Malcolm Davies Amps CAS said:

Mike, Kris Jaroz might be able to help. He is ex Richmond Film Services and one of the UK's leading repairer. His email is chrisaudiosevices@gmail.com

Thanks so much Malcolm

 

mike

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On 19 février 2018 at 6:38 PM, JBond said:

 

Why is everyone inflating Nagra prices? these are not going to sell but everyone who lists a Nagra looks at these for reference. Look at the US prices.  These 7 items total 71,000 

 

 

Yeah it is frustrating. I've inquired in some places for a selling price for certain units and was quoted absurdly high because they're looking to eBay for a reference. 

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On 2/20/2018 at 3:52 AM, mikewest said:

 Need a circuit diagram of  Nagra BM2 mixer No 67 2257

 

Can any one help please??

 

mike

 

Mike:

 

i have one, but you will need to be patient, as we are doing very long days.

 

I’m sure Trew and LSC would one too. Not much to those things!

 

-Scott

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Yes, a lot of the Nagra decks are very expensive indeed on Ebay.

Very glad I bought my Nagra E & Nagra III for $300 AUD each, but the Nagra III did need a bit of restoration work done on it.

My favourite portable reel to reel decks for sure...

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