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22 minutes ago, Spectreman said:

Damn, a Nagra IV-S is for sale locally here in Australia for a very good price. Wish I had the money right now for it, cheapest one I have seen so far.....

Bad timing for me, would have enough money in a few months time, but will be long gone by then of course, damn....

 

When the time is right, it will happen :)

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Nagra CBR. Used by dutch police. Recorder i don't have anymore. Software for the recorder i still have. 

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Wondering if anyone knows whether SN units with a second jack (in addition to the headphone jack) located next to the start/stop lever were a specific version or an aftermarket mod by some users. I can't seem to find any information about this jack as it is not featured on the majority of units I have seen out there. Do you happen to know anything about this option and it's purpose?

There is a photo from JBond's earlier post (second photo of post 376) depicting an SN red text unit that has the second jack located near the white nylon guide roller and the start/stop button trigger.

I have reviewed an SN manual online but have had no luck figuring out what this is.

Anyone know?

Chris 

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I think (without actually having access to a SNST) that it is just a hole with an internal threading, possibly for an accessory. I have found a picture of a partially disassembled SNST where the mysterious hole is shown:

 

http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-nagra-snst-circuit-boards-nagra-snst-spy-recorder-35920311.html

 

On that image, the inside part behind the hole looks identical to the parts behind two screw holes in the connectors, where they are used for fastening the male connector or accessory. My guess is that the Kudelski people of some reason put an extra fastening option on the SNST, in addition to the two connector locking screw holes. But that is just speculation...

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Dela, I believe the jack that Tunes is talking about is not on the SNST, even though the SNST is in the picture,  Its the jack on my red 1973 SNS. Tunes asked me and I didn't know what the jack was for. 

I just took the board off and the jack is wired to the proprietary SN  microphone input. I assume this is so you can use a normal 1/8 microphone jack that was found on a pen or watch microphone. 

 

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Many thanks Dela and JBond. Makes sense to have a standard 1/8 mic jack. Appreciate the effort to take your unit's boards out and posting pics. Mystery solved.

Thanks,

Chris

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This (rather blurry) photo is from a SNN currently on sale on eBay. It seems to have had the extra input connector installed as well, so it is probably a common mod. 

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On 3/27/2018 at 4:15 PM, JBond said:

Dela, I believe the jack that Tunes is talking about is not on the SNST, even though the SNST is in the picture,  Its the jack on my red 1973 SNS. Tunes asked me and I didn't know what the jack was for. 

I just took the board off and the jack is wired to the proprietary SN  microphone input. I assume this is so you can use a normal 1/8 microphone jack that was found on a pen or watch microphone. 

 

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Gorgeous. 

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It is "gorgeous" the way Nagra designed the famous SN recorder with seven removable plug in modules, each held in by only a couple of small brass screws.

The one shot hastily taken picture, with parts of it out of focus is disappointing. 

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Were SN recorders as robust at their larger family members such as the 4.2 and IV-S? They are such an exquisite masterpiece. 

 

Regarding the photo's above are the jacks standard banana plug, not ever seen or touched one is impossible to tell.

 

Were these ever used by sound men for film recording? 

 

Did Nagra ever create a Nagramaster stereo SNST or SNST-R?

 

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2 hours ago, MarkC said:

Were SN recorders as robust at their larger family members such as the 4.2 and IV-S? They are such an exquisite masterpiece. 

 

Regarding the photo's above are the jacks standard banana plug, not ever seen or touched one is impossible to tell.

 

Were these ever used by sound men for film recording? 

 

Did Nagra ever create a Nagramaster stereo SNST or SNST-R?

 

--they sure seem to be

--This sound man used them a good deal back in the day.  Life-savers, esp in the days of wonky wireless mics, and also for impossible plant-mic situations.

--DK

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Hi Philip,

 

So if you used them to record just one voice I assume you then had to sync the track to another before you even put it to image. In a conversational piece two or more individually recorded tracks must have been pretty technical. Did you have a guide track to line up pauses/breaths etc? I assume the SN was not timecode of course.

 

Cheers

MarkC

 

 

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I saw the DR on the tents and for some reason it reminded me of the Nagra IS and Dela… 

 

 

 

 

Oh how we age…

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Actually there is a link between Nagra IS, me and Procol Harum: One of my DR Nagra IS recorders are from the collection of Anton Stormlund, who owns a large collection of Hammond organs. On a tour of Denmark, procol Harum (or rather: One of the incarnations of it)  visited his exhibition and tested his instruments, including his huge theatre organ. It is indeed a small world...

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This posted on Nagra Facebook today with a link to the local 695 magazine.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Wow this is amazing, here the original tape of Stefan Kudelski inventor of the first portable professional recorder, the Nagra. This recording is from 1953 when Auguste Piccard took the Nagra I with him on his record-breaking deep-sea dive in the bathyscaphe Trieste. The sound of the recording is a real time travel.

 
 

 

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I flipped through an album dedicated to the history of the festival in Cannes. I noticed an interesting photo. The reporter still works on the Nagra II in 1959!

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Good work noticing that detail, MarceauFilm

 

I wonder why he looks like he rewinding the Nagra II, as she holds the microphone in front of the person talking into it. 

It would be the other larger crank on the side to windup the motor. Messed up that interview. 

 

I'll bet that was just a pose for the picture, everyone just acted like they were doing something.

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Joseph I found and copied the first and fourth of those photos myself last week! The first two relate to the 1000m bathyscope descent which Stefan himself took part in - as a documentarist. The last is actually Jean Thevenot (centre) I think offering Stefan Kudelski (right) the prize of Chasseurs de Sons - Hunter of Sound.

 

I will get back soon with more info - I had a week with friends in France who presented me with some wonderful Nagra info.

 

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22 hours ago, MarceauFilm said:

I flipped through an album dedicated to the history of the festival in Cannes. I noticed an interesting photo. The reporter still works on the Nagra II in 1959!

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Great photos! Some of the very few I’ve ever seen. With the Nagra II in use!

 

-Scott

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Nagra will be showing some of their "historic" pieces as part of this year's Audio show in Munich this week.

Here is a link to their teaser video with a few pics of Kudelski and a few shots of tape machines.

 

 

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Its too bad they don’t have someone who knows the history of Nagra and would take the time to produce a short film with the correct information.


This picture shows a Nagra II; the Nagra I never had a meter or direct center hold down reel nuts.  This picture does not belong in the film at all because they never mention the Nagra II, why show it as a Nagra I
But here it's showed in all its glory as his prized invention, the Nagra I

 

 
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These next two pictures do show the Nagra I, all they had to do was not show the Nagra II,   especially showing it first like they did!
I guess they feel no one would know the difference, so it doesn’t matter which picture they use. Or they consider the Nagra I or II are the first Nagra's ever made?

 
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Same here below in this next picture and caption, it doesn't matter if it's correct or not who would know the difference? Just run with it.
 
 
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Can we believe anything since the obvious miss representation that seems to show up in any story written about Nagra past and present day?
 
 
The Nagra SN went to the moon In the Apollo mission but not in 1969, they confuse the first moon landing date with the SN going to the moon, kind of misleading. 
 
 
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They landed on the moon 2 times in 1971 and two times in 1972  I would suspect the SN went to the moon after it was developed not before. 
 
The real story is here on post ; #373  you can believe it or not.
 
 

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With it's obvious mistakes it is still nice to see any kind of promo clip showing historic photos of Kudelski and Nagra. Better this than none.

 

18 hours ago, JBond said:

They landed on the moon 2 times in 1971 and two times in 1972  I would suspect the SN went to the moon after it was developed not before. 

 

And here's a hint: While visiting Warsaw for the first time after the war in 1971, Kudelski was asked in radio interview if it's true that his tape recorders are aboard US space ships. He denied. So Nagra SN could went to the moon in 1972 after it's development.

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9 hours ago, Lermontov said:

With it's obvious mistakes it is still nice to see any kind of promo clip showing historic photos of Kudelski and Nagra. Better this than none.

(Better this than none) That may be Nagra's thinking also. They probably know 99% would never know.  Or it was just an oversight. 

 

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This showed up on my facebook page 4 minutes ago.

 

 

You're seeing posts from NAGRA AUDIO first.

The first portable recorder in the world - built by Stefan Kudelski - released in 1951
Rare interview of Auguste Piccard by Stefan Kudelski.

 

https://www.facebook.com/nagraaudio/videos/1943547572356096/

Looks like Nagra set that story straight, now, no misunderstanding what the Nagra I is.

Also added some new information,  only 10 - 12 units made. 

Very nice.

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