Patrick Wylie Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 I'm building up a cart rig for an upcoming feature, which utilizes the Yamaha OV196 as the board and the 664 as the recorder. I'm planning on building a custom cable that seeks to utilize the Insert point on each channel as a direct out. I wanted to check with you guys to see if anybody has had any experience with this or advice for doing it. The current cable I plan on building is a DIRECT OUT interface cable between the Yamaha and the 664: (12) Right Angle M-TRS 1/4" to (6) M-XLR and (6) TA-3F As per the manual of the OV196, the inserts are wired with the send to the tip and the return to the ring. I'm thinking I could just float the tip to the ring on the 1/4", which in theory would send the audio to my recorder and also route the input back into the mixer. The output level ranges from -2dBu (min gain) to +18dBu (max gain). So, it should have enough to drive the TA-3F Line ins on the 664. I'm open to any ideas, advice, or techniques that you guys have to share. Thanks!! BTW This is my first JW post. So, there goes my cherry... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigF Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 in wiring float = non-connected so you want to tie Tip and Ring together then to pin 2 on the TA-3 S to pin 1 on the TA-3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Wylie Posted March 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 Thank you for the correction. That is right Craig. Seems like a doable thing, right? Do you foresee any issues with that setup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirror Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 There are a lot of ways to route out of that board. A popular way is to buy a card for the card slot on the back. Then buy a pre-made Hosa cable and modify the XLR ends to your needs. This will make your mixer less cluttered and cables will be more managable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Wylie Posted March 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 My issue with that is that there is no analog card for that board that has 16 outs. They do on the digital cards. Plus, I believe that the 664 only takes 4 digital ins on 1,2, 5, & 6. So, those digital cards don't help me. The reason for building this is to open the 8 eight analog outs from my current card to feed coms, IFBs, camera, and playback. Then, I can use this cable to get me 12 direct outs to feed to all the inputs of the 664. My max channel count on this show would probably be 10, but having two extra wouldn't hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremiah Sheets Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 Used to patch cables in only part way to get a direct out without interrupting the signal, but you don't want to do that on a moving cart. Too much movement and they cut out. Not sure if the 01V works this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigF Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 fine for short (say under 10 feet) runs over that I'd put ballancing transformers as close to the 1/4"s as I could (like the ones that fit in the shells from Neutrik) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickreich Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 Absolutely works - I do exactly that with my 01v96 driving the 8 analog line ins on a Sound Devices 970 recorder. 01v96 end is TRS connectors wired with Tip and Sleeve bridged. Recorder end is XLR-Ms wired unbalanced, with pin 1 and 3 tied. The card slot has a Dante card in it, so unavailable for line level direct outs. The load of the SD recorder's inputs drops the level the 01v96's AD convertors see by a touch over 1dB - so really not an issue. Keep the multicore as short as possible as it's unbalanced, but at line level that's not likely to be a problem. Not sure about the Right-angle TRS's you mention - they are likely to get in the way of the channel input XLRs unless they face forward, which will be messy and annoying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Wylie Posted March 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 Absolutely works - I do exactly that with my 01v96 driving the 8 analog line ins on a Sound Devices 970 recorder. 01v96 end is TRS connectors wired with Tip and Sleeve bridged. Recorder end is XLR-Ms wired unbalanced, with pin 1 and 3 tied. The card slot has a Dante card in it, so unavailable for line level direct outs. The load of the SD recorder's inputs drops the level the 01v96's AD convertors see by a touch over 1dB - so really not an issue. Keep the multicore as short as possible as it's unbalanced, but at line level that's not likely to be a problem. Not sure about the Right-angle TRS's you mention - they are likely to get in the way of the channel input XLRs unless they face forward, which will be messy and annoying. Nick, thanks for the info brother. I had planned on using right angles because how the board is currently placed on the cart. it doesn't have the clearance for a straight connector. Absolutely works - I do exactly that with my 01v96 driving the 8 analog line ins on a Sound Devices 970 recorder. 01v96 end is TRS connectors wired with Tip and Sleeve bridged. Recorder end is XLR-Ms wired unbalanced, with pin 1 and 3 tied. The card slot has a Dante card in it, so unavailable for line level direct outs. The load of the SD recorder's inputs drops the level the 01v96's AD convertors see by a touch over 1dB - so really not an issue. Keep the multicore as short as possible as it's unbalanced, but at line level that's not likely to be a problem. Not sure about the Right-angle TRS's you mention - they are likely to get in the way of the channel input XLRs unless they face forward, which will be messy and annoying. Craig, appreciate the advice on the short runs and the link you sent me. The run will be tops 4.5', so I think I'm more than okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Weaver Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 I use the my16ae cards for aes out. Remote built me some cables that can do full duplex in and out of nomad, deva.. I'm sure most recorders today have aes inputs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Wylie Posted March 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Below is the custom cable that my friend and I built to interface the OV196 with the 664. Didn't have to color code it, but it has the numbers on the cable itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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