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15 minutes ago, Attila said:

Does anyone have problems with the pre roll? When I switch to external Timecode the pre record function stops working. When back to internal TC it works. I there a way to solve this issue?

Yes, spend more money, on a machine where they've taken the trouble to work these things out?
The processor needs to be programmed to deduct whatever the pre roll is from the incoming timecode and apply it, not just turn pre roll off because it's too difficult to make it work?

633?

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2 hours ago, Attila said:

Yeah. That´s the easiest way of course. But I don´t have the money right now. And 3 channels aren´t enough.

 

You're in luck then (if you do buy one), the 633 is a 6-input 10 track recorder

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Three mic preamp inputs, and three line inputs equal six. (3+3 =6) Most pro wireless Rx can output line, so it's not a huge issue. The 633 line inputs have a lot of headroom, +30dBu max as I recall, but not that enough gain for anything below +4dB (nominal).

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On 10/17/2017 at 12:45 AM, Attila said:

Does anyone have problems with the pre roll? When I switch to external Timecode the pre record function stops working. When back to internal TC it works. I there a way to solve this issue?


Odd. I had never heard of this issue before. And I follow the F8 FB groups very carefully (as that is where the majority of discussions seem to happen). 

If it is due to external TC + pre roll being the specific combination which has the issue (and you want to keep pre roll), which seems to be what you're saying, then why not just purely rely on only internal TC? As the internal TC is very good, so long as you don't turn it off (which is very easily solved with an external battery). 

Simple enough, the problem is "gone" now!

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On 20.10.2017 at 3:14 PM, IronFilm said:


Odd. I had never heard of this issue before. And I follow the F8 FB groups very carefully (as that is where the majority of discussions seem to happen). 

If it is due to external TC + pre roll being the specific combination which has the issue (and you want to keep pre roll), which seems to be what you're saying, then why not just purely rely on only internal TC? As the internal TC is very good, so long as you don't turn it off (which is very easily solved with an external battery). 

Simple enough, the problem is "gone" now!

The problem with this solution is, when powering the unit down, the timecode is gone.

 

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On 11/2/2017 at 7:44 AM, Attila said:

The problem with this solution is, when powering the unit down, the timecode is gone.

 

 

Yeah but my point is I almost never power done, my F4 only sips power, so can easily last all day loooong. 

Thus when do you *need* to jam timecode? Only at the start of the day (and again at lunch break is reasonable, if you feel like it). 

How is this a problem? It is just what you'd usually do anyway, makes no difference. 

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13 hours ago, IronFilm said:

 

Yeah but my point is I almost never power done, my F4 only sips power, so can easily last all day loooong. 

Thus when do you *need* to jam timecode? Only at the start of the day (and again at lunch break is reasonable, if you feel like it). 

How is this a problem? It is just what you'd usually do anyway, makes no difference. 

Yes. I am also not powering it down through the day. But I am synching it with the Ambient nano lock it. I feel more comfortable with it. So I have to deal living without pre roll. Maybe Zoom provide an update in the future. The F8 is a great device so far. I used it three weeks every day. Inside outside. Sun. Rain. Bumpy roads and under stress applications. It never failed.  😚

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Another question: I`m going to shoot a documentary and they want the framerate at 23.98 .

In the timecode menu there´s only 23.976ND .

CanI use this?

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2 hours ago, Attila said:

Another question: I`m going to shoot a documentary and they want the framerate at 23.98 .

In the timecode menu there´s only 23.976ND .

CanI use this?

 

23.98 and 23.976 are just two labels for exactly the same frame rate, it's just that the former uses one digit less to write it down.

 

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10 hours ago, IronFilm said:

 23.976 rounds up to  23.98

They're the same thing, just being expressed with different levels of precision. 

 

You mean, the same framerate is meant, but they are NOT the same. (I do math with these numbers, and if you use 23.98 instead if 23.976 eg for a correction on the duration of a file, you WILL be off. (That once took me a couple of days to figure out.))

In NTSC framerates, the video is slowed down by 0.1 %

So on 23.976 the math is 24 * 1000 / 1001 = 23,97602397602398

that is NOT 23.98

If you use 23.976 you'll be in sync for a long time... (I can calculate how long your show has to be so you would notice that number is not accurate enough either, but this is already over the top :-)

 

Bouke

 

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5 hours ago, Glen Trew said:

 24 x 0.999 = 23.97600000000

At the end of 24 hours using this equation would be 2 frames off.  Not an important difference for any one except for programmers who have to make sure the math is 100% accurate.

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11 hours ago, jgbsound said:

23.98 is just a rounded up. 

 

It's shorthand for 23.976

 


Yeah that is what I meant, the vast majority of the time when a person says 23.98 they mean 23.976

 

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44 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

Sorry.  I didn't mean to be redundant redundant.  ;-)


Yeah that is what I meant, the vast majority of the time when a person says 23.98 they mean 23.976

 

 

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