BAB414 Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Hey Glen, what is this product - The BDSHQIN? Is that the as of yet unavailable cup? http://www.trewaudio.com/product/remote-audio-bdshqin/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Trew Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 On June 18, 2016 at 10:21 AM, MartinTheMixer said: You really don't know how many watt hours of capacity until you test them. That's sort of true, but no more true than testing the voltage or A/hr capacity or other specifics will give you the only real performance of a particular battery. Testing with your specific equipment rig is the only way to know all of these factors about a battery's performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Trew Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 7 hours ago, BAB414 said: Hey Glen, what is this product - The BDSHQIN? Is that the as of yet unavailable cup? http://www.trewaudio.com/product/remote-audio-bdshqin/ Good question, and I'm not sure. I assume it is one of the options currently available. Will find out and post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinTheMixer Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 9 hours ago, Glen Trew said: That's sort of true, but no more true than testing the voltage or A/hr capacity or other specifics will give you the only real performance of a particular battery. Testing with your specific equipment rig is the only way to know all of these factors about a battery's performance. Glen, The way I test is to see what the wattage draw is from my bag, then, test the battery with that wattage pull and see what the readings are when the battery reaches the level considered to be the ending voltage level. Then I can see what the a/hr capacity is. This test is slightly flawed, because, If you test with 3 dual receivers pulling current, then battery life is shorter than only one receiver pulling power, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 SMbus gives you all the information you need. The Smart Battery has electronics and sensors that indicate battery temperature , remaining capacity, run time, battery voltage, power consummation and power charge cycles. In my experience the SMbus info is very accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 SMbus gives you all the information you need. The Smart Battery has electronics and sensors that indicate battery temperature , remaining capacity, run time, battery voltage, power consummation and power charge cycles. In my experience the SMbus info is very accurate. But how can you get a read-out of that info? Does the battery itself have a display? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abe Dolinger Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 16 minutes ago, Constantin said: But how can you get a read-out of that info? Does the battery itself have a display? http://www.audioroot.fr/product/esmart-bg-dh-mkii/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam White Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 2 hours ago, Constantin said: But how can you get a read-out of that info? Does the battery itself have a display? I think it just has a multi-segment level meter, and otherwise you need a separate device to read the data... 1 hour ago, Abe Dolinger said: http://www.audioroot.fr/product/esmart-bg-dh-mkii/ ... like the Audioroot product. In which case you may as well buy the Audioroot batteries, which probably have a matching firmware. Or wait until Remote Audio releases theirs. AW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTA Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Adam White said: I think it just has a multi-segment level meter, and otherwise you need a separate device to read the data... ... like the Audioroot product. In which case you may as well buy the Audioroot batteries, which probably have a matching firmware. Or wait until Remote Audio releases theirs. AW The remote audio batteries display all the information on the audioroot BDS system. You don't need to wait for any firmware to come out, they are already compatible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shastapete Posted June 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Adam White said: ... like the Audioroot product. In which case you may as well buy the Audioroot batteries, which probably have a matching firmware. Audioroot can currently read all of these SMbus batteries, but they *could* choose to lockout non audioroot batteries but that would be a disastrous play. I trust Rado and Jose that these batteries (all OEMed by Inspired Energy) are 99.9% the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abe Dolinger Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Speculation: changing the battery in any way is a lot more expensive than just changing the label, so probably all of these batteries are made exactly the same and labeled differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek H Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 There can be mysterious firmware variations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 On 6/21/2016 at 0:34 PM, Abe Dolinger said: Speculation: changing the battery in any way is a lot more expensive than just changing the label, so probably all of these batteries are made exactly the same and labeled differently. Not really. Even if I order one battery I wait 2 weeks because it is build to order. On 6/21/2016 at 4:51 AM, Constantin said: But how can you get a read-out of that info? Does the battery itself have a display? http://www.rrc-ps.com/en/products/battery-packs/standard-battery-packs/smbus-reader/features.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam White Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 10 hours ago, RadoStefanov said: http://www.rrc-ps.com/en/products/battery-packs/standard-battery-packs/smbus-reader/features.html Yes, "the ideal and essential SMBus battery diagnostic tool for development engineers." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ze Frias Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 On June 21, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Abe Dolinger said: Speculation: changing the battery in any way is a lot more expensive than just changing the label, so probably all of these batteries are made exactly the same and labeled differently. The SMBus batteries have a microchip with firmware in them. Inspired Energy loads a custom firmware with a unique manufacturer code to each battery for each manufacturer. If the manufacturer decides to then create a compatible SMBus device, say a power distro or a charger, they can load a firmware on that device to only work with their manufacturer code. Luckily, this hasn't been an issue, as all devices have been open, but they can easily decide to limit their devices to only work with their batteries. This would only apply to newer products, any products currently out there would still work as they currently do. On June 23, 2016 at 9:25 PM, Adam White said: Yes, "the ideal and essential SMBus battery diagnostic tool for development engineers." It's a diagnostics tool. You just connect each lead to its respective battery terminal. The point is you don't need to have an audioroot distro or charger to see the SMBus info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam White Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 4 hours ago, Jose Frias said: It's a diagnostics tool. You just connect each lead to its respective battery terminal. The point is you don't need to have an audioroot distro or charger to see the SMBus info. Fair enough.Is there an easy way (or hard way!) to have this device connected to the battery and view the data while you're shooting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 39 minutes ago, Adam White said: Fair enough.Is there an easy way (or hard way!) to have this device connected to the battery and view the data while you're shooting? Any SMBUS reader. You can DIY . AudioRoot distro is the only one that I know of for bag use. I personally don't use the AudioRoot distro anymore because my bag setup does not change and I know what to expect from the IE battery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundtrane Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 Rado, do you know of any other SMBus reader other than the RRC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shastapete Posted June 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 10 minutes ago, soundtrane said: Rado, do you know of any other SMBus reader other than the RRC? SMBus protocol is publicly published and uses the I2C serial protocol http://smbus.org/specs/smbus110.pdf so you could probably build one on your own in an afternoon with an Arduino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundtrane Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 Arduino... Ah... ok. vielen danke Pete... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam White Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 3 hours ago, Shastapete said: SMBus protocol is publicly published and uses the I2C serial protocol http://smbus.org/specs/smbus110.pdf so you could probably build one on your own in an afternoon with an Arduino I wish! But if someone wanted to meet in Toronto I'd love to hack it out for an afternoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myk Farmer Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 Just for info , these Remote Audio MEon HiQ batteries charge in Aaton smbus battery chargers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanross Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 This might be a silly question, but would my audioroot system be able to read the data on these the same way it does with current audio root batteries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Coomer Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 Here's a pic of a HI-Q battery plugged into a BGDU. All the data reads the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanross Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 Well that is fantastic! The remote audio ones are half the price of the Audioroots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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