callou Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 Hi , I think there is a few German mixers around here. I have to negotiate my rate with a German production company, ( I'm from France) and I don't have a clue of what the usual rate is in germany for a mixer for doco type of shoot. Do you guys in Germany usually have a work contract and salary like us in France or make invoices like our friends from the US? And do you know how much taxes the production company has to pay with the salary? ( in France salary and taxes are pretty much the same..) Thanks .. Lucas Envoyé de mon SM-G920F en utilisant Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 Try this for a start: http://www.bvft.de/wordpress/?page_id=6777 (it's only in german, I think). In each row the two lefthand rates are for boom op and utility, on the right mixer on payroll and as comtractor. Boom ops and utilities can only work on payroll in Germany.If this is for a job at home, I'd ask for your standard rate. Both work as a contractor and as an employee is common here. Don't know about the taxes, but it's factored in to the numbers quoted in that link above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callou Posted July 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 Thanks a lot Constantin, exactly what I needed ! About the taxes I m not really sure I understand what you are saying in your post..sorry ..Envoyé de mon SM-G920F en utilisant Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VASI Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 Hi, You can check the official site from European Commission. http://europa.eu/youreurope/business/vat-customs/buy-sell/index_en.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 Thanks a lot Constantin, exactly what I needed ! About the taxes I m not really sure I understand what you are saying in your post..sorry ..Envoyé de mon SM-G920F en utilisant Tapatalk Oh, just because you were asking if anyone knew how much the company had to pay and I just said that I didn't know. You will note from my link that if you work as a independent contractor the rate is a bit higher. That's to account for all the costs the employer saves for hiring a contractor. So the contractor should get most of those savings. Then there is VAT to consider (which goes on top of the quoted rates), which depends on your own situation, but you are probably familiar with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent R. Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 No VAT involved if you invoice to a company in another EU country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 No VAT involved if you invoice to a company in another EU country. Only true if both of you have a valid VAT ID. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VASI Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 2 hours ago, Constantin said: Only true if both of you have a valid VAT ID. Yeap. You can check here for valid VAT ID: http://europa.eu/youreurope/business/vat-customs/check-number-vies/index_en.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent R. Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 18 hours ago, Constantin said: Only true if both of you have a valid VAT ID. Yeah, I am assuming that is the case if one is invoicing already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 Yeah, I am assuming that is the case if one is invoicing already. And you're possibly right in this case, but for regular invoicing you don't need a VAT ID, as long as it stays within one country. It's only needed for cross-EU invoicing. Although it's very simple to get the ID, so one might as well do it.Anyway, like I said, I'm sure the OP knows all this already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent R. Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 Ah didn't know that is the case in Germany. In the Netherlands you have to have a VAT number if you invoice. Exception is if you pay for something upfront, like parking fees or other travel expenses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 Oh sorry, yes I should have realised this was possibly specific to Germany. I always think these are the kind of things where harmonization between EU countryman would make a lot of sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPSharman Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 On 7/29/2016 at 9:50 AM, Constantin said: Try this for a start:http://www.bvft.de/wordpress/?page_id=6777 (it's only in german, I think). In each row the two lefthand rates are for boom op and utility, on the right mixer on payroll and as comtractor. Boom ops and utilities can only work on payroll in Germany. If this is for a job at home, I'd ask for your standard rate. Both work as a contractor and as an employee is common here. Don't know about the taxes, but it's factored in to the numbers quoted in that link above. On this page, what does it mean (google translate) in the table when it reads "mixer hired" or "mixer simple" - the rates are very different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthias Richter Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 its either as employee through the prod company or as freelancer who will invoice labour. Since a freelancer needs to pay insurance, healthcare etc himself the rate is 25-35% higher than the employee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPSharman Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Thank you for the explanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Spaeth Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 On 30. Juli 2016 at 2:09 PM, Constantin said: D And you're possibly right in this case, but for regular invoicing you don't need a VAT ID, as long as it stays within one country. It's only needed for cross-EU invoicing. Although it's very simple to get the ID, so one might as well do it. Anyway, like I said, I'm sure the OP knows all this already A reason for using your VAT ID on domestic invoices instead of your Steuernummer is that supposedky anyone can call up your Finanzamt and get info about you with your Steuernummer. That's not possible with a VAT ID. To the OP: Charge the same rate you would to a domestic company. If the production wanted the same rate and circumstances as in Germany they could bring their own guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPSharman Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 Thanks. They are claiming I'm too expensive, so I'm just trying to assign a number to what "too expensive" means. This would be a difficult show for any mixer to take over mid-stream, and the sound recorded in Germany would need to stitch into everything recorded in LA. They might not care, and I'm sure there are many skilled narrative mixers in Berlin up to the task, but it seems risky on the part of production just to save a few dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 A reason for using your VAT ID on domestic invoices instead of your Steuernummer is that supposedky anyone can call up your Finanzamt and get info about you with your Steuernummer. That's not possible with a VAT ID. Which info? You have to state your (company's) name and address anyway, as well as the name of a rep. Can they find out any financial info? That'd be weird... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Spaeth Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 I read something to that extent recently, don't remember exactly, but they recommended using the VAT ID instead because it's safer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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