Joe Riggs Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Hi, Would there be a reason to record 8 tracks on a stationary 2 shot? Even if you were to use 2 booms (which is pretty rare in indie stuff), 2 lavs and a mix track, it would still be less. Obviously some tracks sound inferior to others but I didn't receive any sound reports, so I have no idea, what's what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobilemike Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 I'm assuming you're editing the audio. Is any of that camera audio? I'm sound editing a project now where they dumped camera audio into the picture timeline along with the sound mixer's tracks. The camera for some reason was recording a 5.0 poly WAV file consisting of a mono scratch mix from the sound mixer and 4 empty tracks... So it made things sort of cluttered. Anyway in your case you could have camera audio on some tracks duplicating what the sound mixer recorded. -Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundrolling Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 If you got this from an editor it might slip them into stereo tracks panned left and one panned right so from: Mix Boom Lav 1 Lav 2 you end up with: Mix L Mix R Boom L Boom R Lav1 L Lav1 R and so on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirror Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 It could be something special where they have to put 2 wires on each actor, for say, one on the front for normal talking and one on the upper back for when they hug. I've done it but only if I have to because it's a PITA. So the track count could look something like this: 1-mix 2 - boom1 3 - boom2 4 - Dick front wire 5 - Dick back wire 6 - Jane front wire 7 - Jane back wire 8 - I forgot to turn off this track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkautzsch Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Love the assignment for Track 8! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Riggs Posted August 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 I'm editing the actual picture, so no camera audio, just the polyphonic .wav file. That dual wires is interesting, good to know, although probably not the case in this instance because there is no physical interaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmfreak Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 A week ago, I used 9 tracks for a 2 people scene and they were all absolutely essential and part of the work flow. 1 Boom mic per character ( pretty close physically but different performances and loudness levels, plus one of the characters is a character with special needs and each take is a unique delivery ) + personals. Inside a semi open shed of a big back garden, Stereo mic for ext atmos and Mono mic for traffic, each on a different end of the garden. Mix Left >> Booms Mix Right >> Wireless It aint wrong, if it sounds right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 So if you listened to the tracks, what do they sound like? Just get rid of the tracks you don't need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Riggs Posted August 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 No problem with the sound quality. Just that amount of tracks per clip makes it really cumbersome in the initial edit. As long as post sound can re-conform to all tracks, I could reduce them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandering Ear Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 What are you editing in? What is post audio editing in? This and how you transfer files can make a difference in how easy it is for the dialog editor to reconform. I always wished modern video nle's would allow you to group all the production audio tracks and edit them as 1 file, both making the editing easier and preserving everything for post transfer in the OMF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Riggs Posted August 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 Premiere and Protools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Searey81 Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 is it possible that the camera footage has 8 audio tracks? I know the f5 does this on some settings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikewest Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 As a sound mixer you decide what is the best solution to deliver but keep it simple. I have mixed many drama projects onto two tracks Now with an SD664 I can provide iso tracks but I pride myself on delivering high quality simplicity Depending on the project, audio post need a good simple delivery of material as time is limited mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPSharman Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 No sound reports? Perhaps listen to the ID file and see if the mixer identifies themselves. Or see if there's an electronic report in the sound folder that was delivered with dailies. If neither, check with producer and get the mixers contact info. Call them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 Iso tracks w/o sound reports = amateur soundie. Use all the tracks you want for whatever you want but provide some documentation for the posties or expect that probably everything south of track 4 will be thrown out or muted and forgotten during the initial sort. No one has time to audition all those tracks if they look similar. The most common reason for seeing over-many tracks is the recordist forgetting to turn off un-needed ones (it happens, heat of battle and all). The most common reason for repeating identical etc tracks in post is a bad export from Premiere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikewest Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 Exactly Phillip Sound report essential and a track log necessary to define what is where mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkautzsch Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 13 hours ago, Philip Perkins said: The most common reason for repeating identical etc tracks in post is a bad export from Premiere. Also, some (picture) editors duplicate audio tracks to "make the sound louder" (and blame the soundie if the audio then starts to clip). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Silberberg Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 I just finished recording an Indy film, and going into the project the editor asked me to keep the boom and character's lavs on the same tracks - and that's what I did - with a few exceptions for certain scenes. So post knows that track A always = boom, track B = 2nd boom/plant, track C = male lead Lav .... And so on. Also kept paper sound reports. (I've had some tech glitches using a keyboard to enter data into the recorder, and writing on paper is faster for me.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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