sonic_reducer Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Curious, who here is collapsing tracks, and who isn't, and why? I'm still on the fence about leaving a second boom track empty on a master, say, when I know I will likely arm it in the coverage. What's the consensus here? What annoys editors the most? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 What annoys editors most is inconsistency. I have no problem with empty tracks AS LONG AS THEY ARE NOTED AS EMPTY IN THE SOUND REPORT which of course you are doing....right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonic_reducer Posted August 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Duh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Riggs Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 I would prefer 0 empty tracks but 1 is manageable, in the past I've received 8 track poly files, with 4 of the those tracks being empty, which makes it really cumbersome in the edit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPSharman Posted February 3, 2017 Report Share Posted February 3, 2017 I only record empty tracks if I've forgotten to turn them off when moving onto the next scene, or when a pickup doesn't include everyone (but that hardly counts). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vale Posted February 4, 2017 Report Share Posted February 4, 2017 I'll always try to record the same actor on the same track. So, if actor #2 is not present in a take, I record an empty track instead of having actor #3 collapsing 1 track up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Rillie Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 I'm with Vale on this. My thinking is that it's quicker for post in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 I think this approach works the best for everyone, esp if you have a more or less consistent cast? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Spaeth Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 I don't record empty tracks. As long as tracks are named, edit should be fine is what I guess, and noone's complained yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPSharman Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 I'd think cast order is more important that track number. If I'm doing a scene with number 2 and 5 on the call sheet, I'm hardly going to record three empty tracks in the middle to keep #5 on track 7 (mix, boom, etc.) - But honestly I don't even go as far as to do that really. I did on one film that had three principal cast in virtually every scene, so I did always keep them in order, but I feel that if the track is named that we have done what is required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 Interesting question. I am now using the Aaton Cantar X3 to mix and record. I have also been using the Cedar DNS2, which I chose to record to trax 21 and 22. It hadn't occurred to me that the machine was recording a pile of empty trax between about track 16 and track 21 (I use 11-16 for the radio mics). Then I discovered that my rushes folder each day was huge, so spoke to Aaton and they have now made a 'poly lite' mode where it collapses the poly trax, ignoring trax that have nothing recorded in them. It seems to work well. So, with X3 I can deliver whichever way the post folks prefer, mono, poly, or poly lite. What are the metadata implications of collapsing trax? If I record mono trax then the track names will include whatever I call the tracks on my recorder, ie M1x1, or RM Simon etc..... If the recorder makes poly trax then do the individual track identifiers get lost? Does this matter to postprod, or are you/they used to this now. Kindest, sb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macruth Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 I'm with Robert on this, I never record empty tracks on purpose, seems a waste of "resources", I also stick to cast order number as an organizational aid, I second Robert's opinion that if track name metadata is correct that is enough,Just my .02Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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