nwstudios Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 1, not true. the Oktava filter is cheaper: http://www.oktava-shop.com/product_info.php/currency/USD/language/en/info/p24_low-cut-filter.html 2, the shure thingy is much longer, hence impractical. There is also a new preamp with a lo cut switch. Looks neat. $95 at Oktava USA http://www.oktavausa.com/ProductsPages/MK-012Capsules.html I have found the Oktava is actually on the short side for the shock mounts I have. YMMV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Throwback Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Just thought I'd add that I have found the low-cut filter for the MK012 far too noisy to use. When I queried the noise (I bought one in April with the 'movie set' from Oktava online - Europe's main dealer) Natalia Kuzmenko agreed about the self-noise, and said they'd changed components to no effect. Bill Sitler also agreed about the noise and the lack of mod, and, as a consequence, doesn't list them on his website. I just do the obvious and use the low-cut (which is before the preamp stage) on my SD preamps/mixers. Cheers, Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Garafola Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Thanks, Zach and Christian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek H Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 I've emailed sound room a few times in the past with inquires such as "do you have the new low cut module"? No response. I did not place an order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Garafola Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Paul at the Sound Room did reply when I asked them that, too. "The low-cut filter part of a more expensive kit that is $50 more." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Garafola Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 For what it's worth. "OktavaUSA is the official US distributor of Oktava mics and parts and a fine place to buy that HP filter." - Michael Joly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Spaeth Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Just thought I'd add that I have found the low-cut filter for the MK012 far too noisy to use. When I queried the noise (I bought one in April with the 'movie set' from Oktava online - Europe's main dealer) Natalia Kuzmenko agreed about the self-noise, and said they'd changed components to no effect. Bill Sitler also agreed about the noise and the lack of mod, and, as a consequence, doesn't list them on his website. I just do the obvious and use the low-cut (which is before the preamp stage) on my SD preamps/mixers. Cheers, Roland I never noticed that, so I just checked with my Oktava and yes, with the low cut filter on it really is noisier than without. But I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's far too noisy to use. In most situations it won't even be noticable. But in a quiet room, with soft voices, you will hear the difference. Which makes me all the more interested in the new Oktava preamp. http://www.oktava-shop.com/product_info.php/language/en/info/p39_up-012-universal-preamp.html///XTCsid/e3cc83c07f60a7c5aee1c0df913b1553 I wrote to Kuzmenko about the issue of self noise. If anybody gets their hands on one please report! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomBoisseau Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 Very interesting. You know, I was certain that I was noticing increased noise, I just never associated it with the roll off filter. I may have to rethink whether or not I want to continue using it. I also wonder if the new preamp has this problem or not. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Garafola Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 I'm selling a BRAND NEW MK-012 Hypercardioid Microphone for $265. *Includes wood case, hyper-cardioid capsule, -10db pad, mic clip. Color: Black Cash only. LOCAL SALE ONLY. NYC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 " I'm selling a BRAND NEW ... " cognitive dissonance strikes again... reminds me of the rule: generally speasking, you get what you pay for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrettaudio Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 I'm looking to buy a matched pair of 012s to be used almost exclusively for 2-camera sitdown interviews. I won't be swinging these mics at all. They'll be locked down on stands. My question: Shall I purchase the cardioid capsules? Many of you in this thread prefer them. Will I lose presence? My other dialogue mics are all hyper. Thanks gang. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 baretta: " Shall I purchase the cardioid capsules? Many of you in this thread prefer them. Will I lose presence? My other dialogue mics are all hyper. " come on, dude... that is a bit subjective... quite a bit... you will have to decide which you prefer, and at Oktava prices, you can afford both, so you can have the options... as to matched pairs, you ought to discuss with The Soundroom, (where all Oktava's are hand selected) and for sit-down interviews, it probably doesn't make a detectable difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPSharman Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 baretta: " Shall I purchase the cardioid capsules? Many of you in this thread prefer them. Will I lose presence? My other dialogue mics are all hyper. " come on, dude... that is a bit subjective... quite a bit... you will have to decide which you prefer, and at Oktava prices, you can afford both, so you can have the options... as to matched pairs, you ought to discuss with The Soundroom, (where all Oktava's are hand selected) and for sit-down interviews, it probably doesn't make a detectable difference I agree with Senator's accurate and marginally improving tone of post. If you already have hypers, then cardioid makes sense. Or both. For sit-downs, a wider pattern protects for lean-forwards on fixed stands, etc. I'd also state that matched pairs are unnecessary, and would agree that you should buy them from the above-mentioned vendor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 Also, the words "matched pair" and "Oktava" don't really go together in the sense we usually use for "matched pair"….."same pattern" ok. philp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnpaul215 Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 I'm looking to buy a matched pair of 012s to be used almost exclusively for 2-camera sitdown interviews. I won't be swinging these mics at all. They'll be locked down on stands. My question: Shall I purchase the cardioid capsules? Many of you in this thread prefer them. Will I lose presence? My other dialogue mics are all hyper. Thanks gang. Cardioid and hyper-cardioid are somewhat relative terms. One maker's hyper may not be the same as an Oktava hyper. Do a little googling and you will see what other mics people compare the different Oktava capsule pattern to. Hopefully you can find a review comparing their pattern to something you are very familiar with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Mills Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 and one set of straight answers. You will want both hyper cardioid and cardioid capsules in your kit. Yes, you should buy them from the sound room to confirm you are getting authentic oktava mics No, interview audio will not benefit from them being a "matched" pair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Reineke Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Get both. Better yet, the matched stereo set with the omni, cardioid and hyper capsules is certainly affordable. I concur, The Sound Room is a great source, however one pays more for the hand-picked service. Not to be confused with the "Dorcey" type modification, an option from Bill Sitler or Micheal Joly, which reduces the Oktava self noise and infrasonic LF among other performance improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomBoisseau Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 I'm looking to buy a matched pair of 012s to be used almost exclusively for 2-camera sitdown interviews. I won't be swinging these mics at all. They'll be locked down on stands. My question: Shall I purchase the cardioid capsules? Many of you in this thread prefer them. Will I lose presence? My other dialogue mics are all hyper. Thanks gang. Well... sure. "It depends". However I'll take a shot at answering this. I've used the 012's for years. At times I love them and at times I hate them. The later being when I need to "swing" them around on a boom. For a static interview, I'm pretty happy with them and I don't think it will matter much if you get the cardioid or the hyper. None the less, I have found a few occasions where I will intentionally back the mic off further than need be to introduce a little more natural sound. You certainly can do the same if you feel the hypers reduce the ambience too much. My bigger concern would be if you have the mic locked down on a c-stand and the talent leans forward or side to side. In that case I'd opt for the cardioid. Either way, I don't think loosing "presence" will be an issue. If it is, just back the mic off a little. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Reilly Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Although as a neutral starting point, having matched mics makes sense... I can see how different mics..similar polar pattern..can be inconsequential to the end product. Every voice being different, facing different directions..viewer has no idea what amount of difference is due to recording. With some voices...might be beneficial to use a different more complementary mic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiro nakamura Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 I guess the Oktava is not RF proof mics. My Oktava got some statics or interference if I put near my sound bag or just don't know where... Currently got wet a bit... It sounds a bit thin to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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