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New Betso Wireless Timecode

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It appears that Betso has new wireless timecode (and slate) products coming out (http://www.betso.eu/products)

Trew is listing the SBOX-2RF at $530.  I haven't seen the prices of the slate or TCX-2 posted but they all look interesting and a 500m line of sight sounds impressive.

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I got to play with the TCX-2 while at a Sound mixer mixer in Maryland today (thanks to Nick Huston for bringing them and a bunch of other fun stuff down from Gotham in NYC). They're even smaller than a Tentacle (but a little bit heavier), have a nice big front display so you can check timecode. Pretty cool little units. 

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54 minutes ago, Rifthead said:

I got to play with the TCX-2 while at a Sound mixer mixer in Maryland today (thanks to Nick Huston for bringing them and a bunch of other fun stuff down from Gotham in NYC). They're even smaller than a Tentacle (but a little bit heavier), have a nice big front display so you can check timecode. Pretty cool little units. 

They look great, but they're not smaller than the Tentacles.

TCX-2: 35 x 59 x 16 mm (33cm2) 45g

Tentacle: 34 x 50 x 16 mm (27cm2) 30g

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Nice looking boxes.  Why do I need wireless TC?  How are you using this, vs. a cabled jam then disconnect (for 8+ hrs)?

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On 04/01/2017 at 3:18 AM, Philip Perkins said:

Nice looking boxes.  Why do I need wireless TC?  How are you using this, vs. a cabled jam then disconnect (for 8+ hrs)?

So you can charge more rental for 2 boxes : ) Eg. run rec from camera. But looks like you could use it as a 1 box solution (like a tentacle) if you want. TC options have become quite 'granulated' in recent years. From a simple lock box (like tentacle) to TC TRX like this to TC TRX with added wifi network function for metadata (Ambient ACN). So we choose the tool for the chosen workflow of production but you could make the case for only needing a tentacle if working with DSLRs and the more sophisticated boxes on multi-camera shoots as most pro cameras will keep code well enough for a single camera shoot (if being diligent about re-jamming). Personally I'd like to see an audio reference capability included in some of these TC TRX devices. I think Lebel Audio have something like this but is not widely available. Too bad Zaxcom ERX series was only meant as an accessory for a the Zaxcom eco system - 2 boxes the size of the ERX3TCD, each end of the line would be perfect, having to have a Nomad or an IFB at 1 end is less so (imho). It's 1 thing to own (and/or easily hire) TC TRX boxes which will accommodate a run-rec scenario or more cameras or network metadata when you need to go this way but I find it hard to justify c.2000gbp for TC and scratch track between 2 devices (the value of the ERX is once you've bought into Zaxcom more extensively).

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The price of the ERX/IFB system makes a lot more sense if you also use it as IFBs for directors and so on. The receivers themselves are not really that expensive. So with one ifb and a few erx you'd have a very good ifb solution and a very good tc solition.

I haven't recently met a camera operator, however who accept anything bigger than a Tentacle.
I did bring an Ambient lockit to a commercial shoot once, because I didn't have the correct cable from Tentacle to RED Dragon, but I did for the Lockit. It needed quite some convincing, even though it was a fully kitted-out Alexa with a 250mm Zoom for a camera which sat on a dolly all day. They eventually accepted it grudgingly.
But if one day I'll be asked to bring TC and scratch, I'll probably bring my IFB/ERX set

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3 hours ago, daniel said:

Personally I'd like to see an audio reference capability included in some of these TC TRX devices.

If Betso made one of these wireless timecode boxes with a mono scratch mix, I'd instantly buy four of them.

17 minutes ago, Constantin said:

The price of the ERX/IFB system makes a lot more sense if you also use it as IFBs for directors and so on. The receivers themselves are not really that expensive. So with one ifb and a few erx you'd have a very good ifb solution and a very good tc solition.

I haven't recently met a camera operator, however who accept anything bigger than a Tentacle.

Don't the ERX/IFB system use 2.4ghz to broadcast (or Zaxnet rather)?  My buddy has a few and the range seemed to be rather limited in comparison to my Lectrosonics IFB transmitter.

Right now my solution for timecode and scratch track is to put a Betso box on the camera for timecode, and then I put an old Sennheiser G3 receiver for audio BUT I don't transmit to it via a G3 transmitter.  Instead, I tune the G3 receiver to the same frequency as my Lectrosonics IFB transmitter (which is 250mw) and it sounds great believe it or not.  Hell, it doesn't even give it justice to call it "scratch" because I've been on productions before where they've used it for their edits.

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Not "accepting" a fullup Lockit box for a camera sitting on a dolly (esp in a multiple camera set up) is bullshit.  Tentacles are great clever things, but sometimes genlock actually IS important to have.  I have no prob firing up a Tentacle or a TIG for a handheld or Steadi-guy or a lowend cam w/o a sync input etc, but as was said, there are now a wide range of TC tools for various kinds of shoots.

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"If Betso made one of these wireless timecode boxes with a mono scratch mix, I'd instantly buy four of them."

+1, this is what i'm talking about. Ideally the same the box can independently transmit or receive audio and TC. Eg. you can send a scratch track to camera even when working with run-rec from camera. 

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Just got these on the show I'm on. First impressions of it are really good. The syncing worked without a hitch.

 

The only gripe I have about them are the battery doors. It's a spin door like the lectro smv transmitter but no way to lock it tighten it. This means it can open easily.

Gonna evaluate it further once we get going on the show and see how it is.

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5 hours ago, stacysound said:

Will the Betso's cross jam?

The Betso SBOX-1's will cross jam.  I don't know about the new one.  Tentacles will not cross jam but Sound Devices Recorders do so there's a workaround if you need to.

On 1/3/2017 at 7:48 PM, Rifthead said:

I got to play with the TCX-2 while at a Sound mixer mixer in Maryland today (thanks to Nick Huston for bringing them and a bunch of other fun stuff down from Gotham in NYC). They're even smaller than a Tentacle (but a little bit heavier), have a nice big front display so you can check timecode. Pretty cool little units. 

Who are you Rifthead????  

And check with Nick at Gotham NYC, they're price point is below $500 if I recall.

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