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New Macbook Pro's with those USB-C ports

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  Apparently also called "Thunderbolt 3" connectors.

  Has anyone used these with Thunderbolt 2 HDs?  Should I wait for G Tech to make USB-C HDs or take the plunge on the Thunderbolt 2 drives?  Seems dumb to have to use an adaptor for brand new stuff.

  Thanks!

 Dan Izen

 

EDIT: Nevermind no one has Thunderbolt 3 and it might be a while...  USB 3 seems like the fastest for now...

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depends if you *really* need the thunderbolt3 speed, for most normal hard drives thunderbolt 1 is plenty enough.

even USB3 is really fast, so if hook up an USB hard disk with USB-C connector it will work nicely (it will use the USB3 bus and not thunderbolt). there are quite a few disks with USB over the USB-C connector, even some with SSDs.

but if for some reason you need the full throughput, here are some tests from the speed wizards:

http://barefeats.com/tricktb3b.html
http://barefeats.com/tricktb3.html
http://barefeats.com/tricktb3b.html

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Thunderbolt 2 will be faster than most drives you are going to buy, so that won't be your limiting factor.  Unless you are building an SSD raid for serious media processing, I would just buy what suits your needs and is available now.

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  Yeah I posted uninformed (as usual!).  I read an article that talked about how the real benefit to thunderbolt 3 is the ability to have lots of stuff going through one adaptor, since no hard drives are that fast.  So, instead of one 40mb/ hard drive (that does not currently exist), you can run multiple usb3 drives at 10mb/s as well as plenty of other crap.

  So I'm just gonna spring for a usb3 HD, whenever I find the time to research that crap.

  Dan Izen

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While that looks pretty cool, you can simply get the cables for your existing devices. Cable Matters available on Amazon for example: https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-USB-C-Micro-Black/dp/B00UUBQ710/ref=pd_sim_147_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=WT6Q9PJ2Y9D3PAX2XTZD

I got a couple of those. Works with my WD MyPassport hard drive and Kingston SD/CF reader. 

Looks like they have a few different versions with micro USB etc. All around $7-9 a piece. 

(No FW versions as far as I know)

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1 hour ago, Johnny Karlsson said:

(No FW versions as far as I know)

apple itself makes one (and made one for the older thunderbolt2/displayport connector too):

http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMEL2AM/A/thunderbolt-3-usb-c-to-thunderbolt-2-adapter

as I understand it, it's basically a PCIe FW800 card stuffed into the connector - pretty amazing how small things got.

 

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1 hour ago, chrismedr said:

apple itself makes one (and made one for the older thunderbolt2/displayport connector too):

http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMEL2AM/A/thunderbolt-3-usb-c-to-thunderbolt-2-adapter

as I understand it, it's basically a PCIe FW800 card stuffed into the connector - pretty amazing how small things got.

 

That is a Thunderbolt 2 to Thunderbolt 3 adapter. I believe they also make a Thunderbolt 2 to Firewire adapter, but I am not 100% certain if daisy chaining the two would in fact work with, let's say, a Firewire audio interface....?

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8 hours ago, Johnny Karlsson said:

That is a Thunderbolt 2 to Thunderbolt 3 adapter. 

doh, of course you're right, my mind must have severely confused last night, sorry for that :/

but yeah, there's a TB2 to FW800:

http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MD464LL/A/apple-thunderbolt-to-firewire-adapter?fnode=8b

and I've used that for connecting disks and firewire interfaces several times without any problems, so chances are that a TB3/USB-C --> TB2/DP --> TB2/DP --> FW800 will work as well.... but it sure gets fiddly and a bit expensive.

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I have had no problems chaining through a thunderbolt 2 adaptor so far.  After using the MBP for a few months now, I don't mind the switch to USB-C/TB3.  I bought a few cables to connect the things I need without dongles, and never looked back.  I do miss having a mag safe power connector though.  Charging through either side of the computer is convenient, but losing magsafe is probably my only complaint about the machine.  To my surprise, PT HD 11 hasn't had any problems running on it on Sierra, despite not being qualified.

The internal storage is impressively fast, I'm very glad I spent the money for 1TB internal instead of just relying on slower external SSD's.

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  Yes thanks I have that and it works, but it needs another adaptor to work with USBC connector, and also I don't wanna have to keep unplugging stuff.  That OWC thing would literally be everything I could possibly use, including ethernet!  I should get one.

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