Matt Bacon AMPS Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 Here is a concept for a Follow Cart based on the Bag Cart (1070mm x 710mm x 565mm HxWxD). It has 15u of rear storage and a further 2u at the front. It has a cover that unscrews and rises up to become a work surface (as shown in the CAD drawings). The cart would be compatible with all of SOUNDCART's universal accessories however would not fold as the other cart designs do. I welcome your thoughts and opinions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Wexler Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 Looks great! I have only one comment: having the drawer access on the back, if we can call it that, could be a problem. Typically, carts of this design (big wheels in back, guide wheels on the handle) are tied off an secured on the truck with this surface (the wheels) up against the wall of the truck. Tied off and secured in this manner, the drawers would be inaccessible until the cart was detached and pulled away from the wall. This may not be a problem, though, looking at the front of the cart (which appears to be a solid surface) --- maybe people would just put that front surface against the truck or trailer wall and tie it off, thus providing access to the drawers. Access to the drawers when tied off is important at call time and at wrap when the cart(s) are tied off for travel. It is possible as well that this cart is designed more for traveling in small vehicles and the whole tying it off on a truck or trailer may not even be an issue. I apologize for far too many words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Bacon AMPS Posted January 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Hi Jeff, thanks for taking the time to reply. Your comments are fair and yes the "front" is solid so could be placed against the side of the truck. Mounting points are also optional accessories so can be used to secure the cart during transit. No reason why the drawers could be mounted in a different orientation to that shown. The "front" lid or work surface could then be attached after? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 I like the idea of the big fold-up table top. Having a portable workbench on location really makes things easier. I see the rollers on the handles--were you thinking this would get transpoed in a station wagon or RV etc, on its back? This would make a very tasty small mix cart as well, for smaller gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackHenry Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 What happens when you tilt it backward to move it, if you've not secured all of the drawers??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Bacon AMPS Posted January 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 4 hours ago, JackHenry said: What happens when you tilt it backward to move it, if you've not secured all of the drawers??? Someone else (on another platform) also mentioned the same. Good point!! The answer I think is to make all four uprights the same height so the work surface can be placed on top (the rear handles would not go above the level of the uprights) over the handle allowing full access to the drawers on the opposite side to the handle. Keep these comments coming!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackHenry Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 No, I mean when you tilt the cart backwards to wheel it somewhere. If you don't secure the drawers, they'll slide open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanpeds Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 12 minutes ago, JackHenry said: No, I mean when you tilt the cart backwards to wheel it somewhere. If you don't secure the drawers, they'll slide open. Most rack mounted drawers latch shut and have optional locks as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Bacon AMPS Posted January 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 2 hours ago, JackHenry said: No, I mean when you tilt the cart backwards to wheel it somewhere. If you don't secure the drawers, they'll slide open. Yes I understood what you meant 2 hours ago, ryanpeds said: Most rack mounted drawers latch shut and have optional locks as well Yes they do but I see the point that Sod's law will mean at the end of a long day in the dark you tip the cart back and all the tiny pop shields fall to the floor. I have a solution (design tweak) which I will implement. This is great feedback, more the better to create as good a cart as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackHenry Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 I'm currently designing the innards of a Pelican iM3075. It's a very large case and I'm trying to figure out a way to use the lid cavity to store my rolled cables (when using the case vertically). If you have something in mind for your design for cable handling, spit it out....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngooch Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 I like the option of being able to use work surface as a table that you could properly use a chair with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan McL Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Like where you're going with this. Might be fun to have optional side tables, too. Wonder about your thoughts relative to having only two wheels. Perhaps simplicity is best here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Waelder Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 It's an interesting and well thought out design. JackHenry: What happens when you tilt it backward to move it, if you've not secured all of the drawers??? Some years ago I researched the same problem but other circumstances precluded implementing the solution I found. Commercial airplanes have the same challenge with cabinets for food supplies and the like. They use a lever that twists vertical to provide access and horizontal to lock the door or drawer closed. These are typically aluminum and anodized in a bright color so that the open-closed position is apparent at a glance. I found a company that supplies these levers and contacted them. Obviously they are not interested in retail sales of only two or three levers but the minimum order requirement was really quite modest. As I recall, it could be met with an expenditure of $100 or, maybe, $150. Regrettably, I did this research some years ago and don't have the contact information ready to hand. I'll keep noodling about for it but I expect it wouldn't be too big a Google search for you to find it on your own. It was either a U.S. company or a Canadian company. (a wide swath, I know) David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackHenry Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Interesting idea. Have you ever had difficulty putting your seat belt on when parked on a steep slope? The little inertia thingy sometimes locks on when on a steep angle. I wonder how you'd get around that if these drawer level type latches did the same. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Waelder Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 JackHenry: I wonder how you'd get around that if these drawer level type latches did the same. As I recall, there is a simple detent, probably a spring-loaded ball bearing, in both the "Open" and "Close" positions. The latch "fingers" are reasonably big and easy to grasp. Different sizes are available but most that I've seen were between 2-inches and 3-inches long. The next time you fly somewhere, take a look at the cabinet latches in the flight attendant work areas and you'll get the sense of the matter. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackHenry Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Last time I poked around in the flight attendants area, I got kicked off. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackHenry Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 There are a couple of 'table tops' seen on this site. You might get some ideas. http://www.cases.com.au/DDX/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=2388 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Bacon AMPS Posted January 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 21 hours ago, JackHenry said: I'm currently designing the innards of a Pelican iM3075. It's a very large case and I'm trying to figure out a way to use the lid cavity to store my rolled cables (when using the case vertically). If you have something in mind for your design for cable handling, spit it out....... From what you have mentioned my initial thought would be to secure some netting with an elastic opening to prevent them from falling out. How many and what type are you talking? XLR cables or small timecode cables? 18 hours ago, Jan McL said: Like where you're going with this. Might be fun to have optional side tables, too. Wonder about your thoughts relative to having only two wheels. Perhaps simplicity is best here. Yes this could potentially be possible as an optional add-on. Yes I considered having front casters during the design process. This could also be an option (a tall version and a short version) but would reduce the available storage space which I considered more important. Am I wrong? When tipped on the rear wheels they should big enough to transverse over all but the toughest terrain. Aspects such as weight I think are also a consideration especially if you are lifting it up a set of stairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Bacon AMPS Posted January 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 18 hours ago, David Waelder said: It's an interesting and well thought out design. JackHenry: What happens when you tilt it backward to move it, if you've not secured all of the drawers??? Some years ago I researched the same problem but other circumstances precluded implementing the solution I found. Commercial airplanes have the same challenge with cabinets for food supplies and the like. They use a lever that twists vertical to provide access and horizontal to lock the door or drawer closed. These are typically aluminum and anodized in a bright color so that the open-closed position is apparent at a glance. I found a company that supplies these levers and contacted them. Obviously they are not interested in retail sales of only two or three levers but the minimum order requirement was really quite modest. As I recall, it could be met with an expenditure of $100 or, maybe, $150. Regrettably, I did this research some years ago and don't have the contact information ready to hand. I'll keep noodling about for it but I expect it wouldn't be too big a Google search for you to find it on your own. It was either a U.S. company or a Canadian company. (a wide swath, I know) David Thanks for the tip David. I'll perform some investigations. Regarding the colour coding I like the idea and could combine it with my idea of offering some generic coloured cut foam inserts for drawers. 7 hours ago, JackHenry said: There are a couple of 'table tops' seen on this site. You might get some ideas.http://www.cases.com.au/DDX/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=2388 Thanks will do. I appreciate from everyone's comments and ideas. They are much appreciated. Please keep them coming!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackHenry Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Matt, I'm talking about two or three 25 metre long rolled 2 channel Mogami 2930Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Bacon AMPS Posted January 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 26 minutes ago, JackHenry said: Matt, I'm talking about two or three 25 metre long rolled 2 channel Mogami 2930 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Something like this... Portable-Bathroom-Baby-Toys-Storage-font-b-Net-b-font-font-b-Bag-b-font-with.jpg but without the toys in them. You get the idea though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 I'd add 4 large cable hooks. The kind that can fold left and right to squeeze through doorways. But I love the design. I'd but it now if it were available. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPSharman Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Great design. I really think you want the drawers the other way, and small front wheels. Table should have a lip so stuff doesn't roll off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Bacon AMPS Posted January 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 3 hours ago, Matt said: I'd add 4 large cable hooks. The kind that can fold left and right to squeeze through doorways. But I love the design. I'd but it now if it were available. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Yeah good shout. Like these (see attached photos)?? Also good to know. 1 hour ago, RPSharman said: Great design. I really think you want the drawers the other way, and small front wheels. Table should have a lip so stuff doesn't roll off. Thanks Robert. I agree. The design change maybe to make is have all the uprights the same height, move the handle down slightly to allow the work surface to be placed over the handles. The orientation of the drawers could be changed to open the other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Waelder Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 I managed to find the company that makes latches to secure drawers and cabinets on airplanes. It's Stealth Aerospace. Here's a link: http://www.stealthaerospace.com/latches/sam_turnretainers.htm So, JackHenry, you can examine all the details without incurring any unwelcome scrutiny from the TSA. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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