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Sound Devices Mix Pre-3 and Mix Pre-6

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16 hours ago, soundmanjohn said:

Waiting to hear from Ambient in Germany when they have mine in stock. Great company, easy to deal with and a couple of hundred bucks cheaper than buying in the UK.

WIll report in as soon as it gets here.

John

Thanks John, just check around the prices in the uk, so much more expansive! Wonder why?! It's probab the Brexshit, but that's for another topic....:)

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On 5/1/2017 at 2:24 PM, Matthew Manville said:

 But also by going with the Zoom,  you lose the trust of the Sound Devices name, which can go a long way with producers. 

maybe the right way to phrase it is: real producers.

honestly i thinks the mix pres will eventually outsell the zoom f series because people in the zoom market will not invest in enough really good wireless and mics to plug into it.

they want cheaper but find it hard to balance or quantify/qualify cheap vs adequate vs sub par vs decent vs great. quite often they are the people who buy twice/cry twice, several times with different items!! lol.

at least with the mixpre 3 they would, with a little research and due diligence in regard to making smart purchases, understand what a 'great basic kit' really is for their intended purposes.

if they don't they keep buying and crying and ultimately get nauseous when they finally succumb to having to hire a sound guy or girl who wants nothing to do with operating the equipment they have already purchased in error.

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@soundmanjohn Cheers! very informative. I have to order mine soon I guess. I am wondering if it worth waiting to hear any sound samples first. I am avoiding being an early adaptor in general, but it seems I am in the waiting for a lot of equipment this last year!

Thank you again.

@Gerard-NYNY from time to time I have to work for "producers" that have their own equipment and they only pay you for your presence. Most of the times you are in trouble because their equipment is of very bad quality and they do not understand their responsibilities (or they do not care), that is why I am so excited about this MixPre, I can have a full set of lower - end equipment for jobs like these, and I don't have to worry for other people's mistakes. I will pay for extra equipment, but I will have peace of mind!

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1 hour ago, Kisaha said:

@soundmanjohn Cheers! very informative. I have to order mine soon I guess. I am wondering if it worth waiting to hear any sound samples first. I am avoiding being an early adaptor in general, but it seems I am in the waiting for a lot of equipment this last year!

Thank you again.

@Gerard-NYNY from time to time I have to work for "producers" that have their own equipment and they only pay you for your presence. Most of the times you are in trouble because their equipment is of very bad quality and they do not understand their responsibilities (or they do not care), that is why I am so excited about this MixPre, I can have a full set of lower - end equipment for jobs like these, and I don't have to worry for other people's mistakes. I will pay for extra equipment, but I will have peace of mind!

from the get go, if i receive a call like that my standard rehearsed ad lib is: are you sure you want me to work with that crap?...

you have everything to gain by introducing that into the discussion. you and i are prepared to elaborate on the subject. the producer side, usually not prepared. on the other hand, losing a potential headache is not a bad thing at all.

if you care more about the end result/quality of sound and supplying a hassle and crisis free shoot than the producers do it's not a good match.

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Surprised it even gets that far, I don't work a job unless I use my kit, simple as that.

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I just expressed a reality in the market I am in. If you are not from the G8 -and a few more countries, then you are trying to build from a not so ideal situation, and you go from there. The world is a relatively big place and dominant of not ideal situations, I wouldn't be surprised that someone has to work for not an ideal employer. Well, we have a lot here!

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2nd field recording sounds nice (Front Porch Birds) low hiss/noise, but they could put the microphones near the birds, on a windless day (?). Still it's a bit harsh with unpleasant highs in my opinion (2-4 sec) but it's more about the mic I think or the bird :P

It would be great to have it tested on ambient side by side with other recorders like zoom h5, f4 and 633 :D. 

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On 5/19/2017 at 6:45 PM, Kisaha said:

I just expressed a reality in the market I am in.

I think the reality of the market you are in is a worldwide phenomena and G8 countries are just as full of foolish cheapskates as the rest.

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Even with  the other recorders included, I would be willing to bet that with properly recorded tracks, using the exact same mics in the exact same position, none of you could tell the difference in which recorder recorded what. This recorder will sound just fine... 

  Any differences or perceived problems with the recordings are more a product of mics, placement, playback equipment, headsets, or the speakers your listening through. In real world use, once through post, there is no problem whatsoever with this machine.

 

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7 hours ago, Gerard-NYNY said:

I think the reality of the market you are in is a worldwide phenomena and G8 countries are just as full of foolish cheapskates as the rest.

It is human nature. Some people are plain cheap!

There are differences though, the peak of the industry (quality), its bulk (quantity), and the socio-political structure of societies (working laws and benefits). Humans are basically the same of course, but working conditions are much different in Western countries than the rest of the world. I have lived 6 years on a couple of them (G8) and I know! Anyways, we all took our decisions long time ago, I guess, and job opportunities are not the only think matters on this planet, at least not for me. 

Mixpre6/3 is bridging the gap, it is the most professional of the amateur ones, and the most amateurish of the professional ones!

Thank you @Robert0 for finding out the first samples. I liked what I heard, these are not microphones I will be using, even though I have access of the Rode, but I guess when the first bunch will be delivered (and it will be soon) there are going to be hundreds of samples everywhere on the internet!

The other thing is the touch screen, I would worry about something like that on a pro machine, but we will find out soon.

Another reason for its popularity it is the somehow limited new releases of NAB2017, so all the popular v-logs and youtube channels had extensive coverage of the new MixPres, so everybody knows!

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Not having the MixPre-6 in my own hands I thought it would be interesting to visualize which bag might be a good fit for it since there aren´t any recommendations out there yet. So I roughly modeled them in 3D using the correct proportions. Here are the results - it´s a pretty small device!

mixpre-6_stingray_dr70d.jpg

mixpre-6_stingray_jr.jpg

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On 4/23/2017 at 2:57 PM, VAS said:

Looks like ORCA OR-27 and K-TEK Stingray KSTG70 are the right bags for Sound Devices MixPre-6. For tight bag lovers.

The above re:bags was from page 4 of this thread too. 

-Mike

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Here is a comparison with the Zoom F8, in my opinion the difference is huge! :) (By huge I mean easily noticeable :D)

 

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I contacted Sound Devices and asked for the allowed voltage range when using the battery sleds. The answer was:

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Batteries:

If they have a nominal voltage of 1.5-1.8V.

 
L-Mounts:
If they have a nominal voltage of 7.2 - 8v.

 

Since the AA-sleds do have the batteries wired in series, we get 6 - 7,2 volts in total. And the L-Mount batteries beeing hot swappable indicates that the two slots are wired in parallel. To sum it up, the unit takes 6 - 8 volts.

I´m thinking on soldering a hirose jack to the 4AA battery sled and using Sony L-Mount batterys to remotely power the unit.

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So if I understand this correctly, the difference between the two models when running MP-3 and MP-6 with LTC through the aux input comes down to one iso. Is that correct? With the MP-6, you are forfeiting inputs for tracks 5-6, whereas with the MP-3 you still have available the 3rd xlr connector. So it's 4 iso vs 3 in this case.

Just for some mental gymnastics, this mic-aux is stereo in both models. You have the option to send LTC to either side. Therefore, with a y-cable wouldn't it be possible to salvage track 5 on the MP-6?

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I'm also very intersted in this what James is talking about.
Maybe is to much to ask for 5th iso track but it would be nice to know that this ability exist.
I must say that i cant figure it out is it possible (if its possible at all) to convert Lectro signal into this aux-mic input so that one more wireless can be used

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On 5/24/2017 at 3:13 PM, Janik Hampe said:

Since the AA-sleds do have the batteries wired in series, we get 6 - 7,2 volts in total. And the L-Mount batteries beeing hot swappable indicates that the two slots are wired in parallel. To sum it up, the unit takes 6 - 8 volts.

well, since AA run down to about 1V when discharged, I'd say it probably takes at least 4-8V

1 hour ago, James Louis said:

So if I understand this correctly, the difference between the two models when running MP-3 and MP-6 with LTC through the aux input comes down to one iso. Is that correct?

no, as mentioned earlier there are a few more differences, most notably 192Khz vs 96Khz and Input delays/polarity - see this page:
https://www.sounddevices.com/products/recorders/mixpre-3/feature-comparison

as for splitting input 5/6 in timecode mode, probably best to write SD directly for that. let us know what they say.

chris

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