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Phonak Roger real world experience

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Hi Patrick,

 

I have a system, its the Roger Pen which is the 2.4ghz system but not the new system they bought out with the base station. As far as i know they are compatible at least my ear pieces should work with the new base station. The Roger pen transmitter is useful for its size and for range outside i run it on a cable to get as close to the actor as possible. Inside with reflective surfaces i find the range very good. I run it with zaxnet and it is not affected on the 2.4ghz band even placing the pen close to my ifb100. I think the transmission in the roger pen is excellent in not being affected by other things on the same band.

The actors really like the clarity compared to an induction system, i personally think they are not as loud as they could be but i have not had any complaints from actors about this. I would be interested to know if the base station provides a bit more gain.

 

Regards

Tony

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I tried one at NAB and found that a proper seal would be necessary to achieve sufficient gain for me.  They furnish some thin gasket-like material to aid in that fit (which I didn't try).

 

My take is, if you're expecting great sound, you'll be disappointed.  If you're simply expecting better sound than an induction unit, you'll be pleased.

 

The thing is tiny and disappears into the ear much better than the PSC induction units I have.  

 

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Hi Patrick,

I have just finished 8 weeks on a musical feature using a phonak base station, a couple of Roger ear pieces and best of all using a roger repeater to extend range and reduce dropouts.

We managed to get a huge amount of perfect sync takes and I was really impressed at how well it worked indoors and out.

There were 400 metre steadicam shots, singing through a number of rooms in sets and many tricky locations.

The repeater (not much bigger than an iPhone and self powered) was often strapped to the boom or placed in a convenient place to provide some amazing coverage. I suspect the repeater is of more value than getting an epic 2.4ghz aerial setup which often annoys our friends in the camera dept.

 

I initially tried out the Phonak media hub but it provided no level control and just wouldn't cut through a noisy environment. The base station proved to be a huge improvement.

The key was to keep the base station easily portable so I self powered it with a v lock through a voltage adaptor to give it the 5 volts it needs and transmitted the playback to the base station with a lectro srB set. This was often chucked on a C stand and moved easily around sets and locations.

 

Phonak earpieces roll off at 100hz and 7khz so we always sent it a mix which had a pre eq to allow for this. (I have attached a pic)

We found the  a steep roll off at 100 a small bump around 150 and the usual dip around 400 with a shelf boost of a few db for highs and then steep roll off after 7 really helped the actors out.

 

We also cut the lugs back quite a lot as these were an issue with being in shot at times and reflected brightly when back lights hit them.

 

While the system can not be described as hifi it is a massive leap on induction quality and the linking of earpieces and repeaters with the base station is really efficient and are "remembered" by the base station as well.

If you need any other info, let me know.

 

Thanks,

Tony Spear

 

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Tony, can you clarify the amount of gear used to get to the wearer's ear?  From what I'm reading, your workflow goes:

 

Audio into a Lectrosonics transmitter (~$1000)
Transmitted to an SRb (~$2000)

Output of SRB into the Roger base station located on a C stand (~$1700)

From the Roger base station to a Roger repeater strapped to a boom pole (~$700)

From the repeater to the Roger in the wearer's ear (~$1500)

 

Total = ~$6900

 

Do I have that right?

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Hi Doc,

Your maths isn't far off, and the numbers are kind of scarier in New Zealand dollars, but my post is not about the dosh it is about a system that worked well for us.

Of the 11 musical tracks on the movie only 2 used a speaker for playback.(these tracks featured a whole band so 2 earpieces didn't cut it)

Of course you could always cable to the base station to save a channel of wireless.

 

The production was very happy with the results and paid rental for the entire system.

Thanks,

Tony.

 

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Thanks Tony,

 

are you familiar with the Phonak Invisity VHF system and can you comment the sound quality of the Roger system compared to that of Invisity?

 

Thanks and best

 

Patrick

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Hi, I have been using both systems, invisty's and roger earpiece's, lately.

The roger system is definitely a step forward. The sound quality is much better and you don't get any noise or dropout when the earpiece is out of range, which I find very important if used for orders/lines to the talent. When the Roger earpiece is out of range it plays a smooth beep.

Range isn't huge with neither the touchscreen or the base station, so I have been using them with portable rigs based in lectro hybrid systems, very similar to the one Tony explained on previous comment.

when feeding external line inputs to the transmitters. I get a louder signal from the base station than from the touchscreen.

the touch screen sounds very good if using its internal mics instead. That makes it very convenient for eng or similar situations where the person giving the orders is close to the set.

 

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