dgirtsman Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 Just to give you a sense of the difference in sound between the Audix SCX1 with hypercardioid capsule and the Sennheiser MKH 416. Recorded on a Sound Devices 633 in the same room, at the same distance and with the same gain settings. No additional processing has been done to the audio. I know, it's like comparing apples and oranges, but I thought it may be useful to someone? Listen to the audio sample on Soundcloud here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 How far from the subject were the mics? They sound very similar at the given distance. Now move both back about 2-3 feet and listen for the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgirtsman Posted May 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 19 minutes ago, Eric Toline said: How far from the subject were the mics? They sound very similar at the given distance. Now move both back about 2-3 feet and listen for the difference. Hi Eric. The mics were approximately 18" from my pie-hole. You can definitely hear the difference when listening on headphones. The Audix doesn't have the "bite" that the 416 does, but for the money, it sounds pretty good to me. I think it may work nicely on some of the more edgy sounding voices? For $300 used on Ebay, I couldn't pass it up. Don't tell my wife.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Denton Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 I would agree that the 416 has a little more bite and a little more natural sounding. For a voice over I might choose the Audix out of these two samples. It seems warmer and more pleasant with the highs rolled off a little. On-location performance for normal dialogue and in a more testing environment may yield a different opinion from me however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 2 hours ago, dgirtsman said: For $300 used on Ebay, I couldn't pass it up. Don't tell my wife.... I picked one up on eBay this month for US$250 😉 You probably shouldn't tell your wife that either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 Coming in about 2 weeks, the 416 killer. The Sanken CS-M1 @ $895. It's 4" long and It's going to be a game changer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 What makes it a "416 killer"?! Is surely likely the 416 will still have its place in a person's kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 57 minutes ago, IronFilm said: What makes it a "416 killer"?! Is surely likely the 416 will still have its place in a person's kit. Cos if it's sound/usage is comparable to (or better than) a 416, weight/size/price/reputation will make it very attractive? I like my 416 and CS3e but the big rycotes less so. It looks like the bottom end might be better balanced for boom use than the 8xxx series and its $500 cheaper (and smaller) than an 8060. It's $850 cheaper than the 8060 with the filter module. At 104mm, with a LP XLR, it might even fit an extended BBG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 But will the CS-M1 be as indestructible as the 416 is famous for being? I am skeptical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 7 hours ago, IronFilm said: What makes it a "416 killer"?! Is surely likely the 416 will still have its place in a person's kit. It does everything a 416 can do but it does it better although the pattern is a bit wider. 1 hour ago, IronFilm said: But will the CS-M1 be as indestructible as the 416 is famous for being? I am skeptical. Only time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgirtsman Posted May 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 16 hours ago, IronFilm said: I picked one up on eBay this month for US$250 😉 You probably shouldn't tell your wife that either... If you don't tell, then I wont! 15 hours ago, Eric Toline said: Coming in about 2 weeks, the 416 killer. The Sanken CS-M1 @ $895. It's 4" long and It's going to be a game changer. I'm looking forward to hearing this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 Prepare to be pleasantly shocked & surprised, trust me on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobilemike Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Eric Toline said: Prepare to be pleasantly shocked & surprised, trust me on that. How would you compare it to the CS1e? -Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r.paterson Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 The sanken cs-m1 will need a proper shockmount the k-tek covers the ports and the rycote lite is longer than the mic itself..the new cinela looks like a good option.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Feeley Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 4 hours ago, r.paterson said: The sanken cs-m1 will need a proper shockmount the k-tek covers the ports and the rycote lite is longer than the mic itself..the new cinela looks like a good option.. Which K-Tek mount are you talking about? Here's one Sanken shows on their CS-M1 page, the KSM1 Shockmount, which looks like something from K-Tek (and probably brand new and just barely or not quite available). http://www.sankenmicrophones.com/production/shotguns/cs-m1/ And I'd guess Rycote and others will have something in the works. But ya, a proper mount for this very short mic will be important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 31 minutes ago, Mobilemike said: How would you compare it to the CS1e? -Mike I have no experience with the 1e. You'll have to be the judge when you hear the M1. The LF gradual roll off is amazing below 100hz as it allows the voice to be above the ambience with out any artifacts. IMO, with in reason it sounds better than any other shotgun I've used or heard but that of course is personal opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobilemike Posted May 20, 2018 Report Share Posted May 20, 2018 20 hours ago, Eric Toline said: I have no experience with the 1e. You'll have to be the judge when you hear the M1. The LF gradual roll off is amazing below 100hz as it allows the voice to be above the ambience with out any artifacts. IMO, with in reason it sounds better than any other shotgun I've used or heard but that of course is personal opinion. Interesting. I guess I’ll have to check it out! -Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted May 20, 2018 Report Share Posted May 20, 2018 55 minutes ago, Mobilemike said: Interesting. I guess I’ll have to check it out! -Mike Gotham should have it in about two weeks or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VASI Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 On 5/20/2018 at 12:36 AM, Eric Toline said: I have no experience with the 1e. You'll have to be the judge when you hear the M1. The LF gradual roll off is amazing below 100hz as it allows the voice to be above the ambience with out any artifacts. IMO, with in reason it sounds better than any other shotgun I've used or heard but that of course is personal opinion. Hi Eric, Even MKH 50 (ok, no shotgun)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted May 21, 2018 Report Share Posted May 21, 2018 1 hour ago, VAS said: Hi Eric, Even MKH 50 (ok, no shotgun)? It doesn't have the low end of the 50 but it has better reach with a slightly narrower pattern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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