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I have a pair of Etymotic, isolation is very good (especially with the foam tips which are basically just like ear plugs) and they sound great. Cable noise has prevented me from ever using these at work. Drives me nuts.

 

 I wish the manufacturers would make in-ear cables with a short portion of soft, coiled suspension next to the ear piece that would serve as “shock mounts”.

 

I also have a pair of the shure 215, which are slightly better in terms of the cable noise. The part of the Cable that attaches to the ear piece is “moldable”, goes up-and-around the ear. This seems to help a bit with the cable rubbing noise. Sounds good. Isolation is good. I have used these for work a few times when it was practical.

 

The thing that prevents me from using any of these more is the unplugging/plugging to be aware of what’s going on around me and people start talking not realizing I cannot hear them. 

 

With cans, popping one ear off, or even taking them off to put them down is a matter of a half-second to get them back on. Might just be a matter of getting used to doing this quick with the in-ears, but I feel like I’m messing around for a minute getting them situated in the ear, and getting the cable in place.

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I find with in ears and good isolation I listen at lower volumes, which I believe will help save my ears over time.

I used to use the Etymotuc ER4P, but the cable is extremely microphonic and I got tired of it.  I now use the Etymotic HF5, which are a lot cheaper and have very little microphonic noise.  Not perfect, but little enough that handling noise is not an issue.  The balanced armature drivers are the same as the ER4 series, but don't go through the hand tuning and matching that the ER4's do.  

I spoke to Etymotic about doing the ER4 series with a softer cable, but they said they had no plans to change it and didn't seem interested in the idea.

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I find there to be no cable noise in my Westone UM Pro 20s, and I also turn my headphone feed way down.

 

As I mentioned before, I use the smallest silicone tips to allow some escape for loud surprises, and to hear some ambient sound around me. It's my intent, however to try a more fitted tip when I'm stuck outside when recording a quiet scene inside.

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I got the etymotic er4pros with custom tips for a specific job. The sound was great, but the cable noise drive me crazy. 

I then got some Westone es50s, and it was a revelation. The sound is amazing, and the isolation is too, and zero cable noise. They’re not so quick to put in and take out, so I only use them occasionally for production. But on an airplane, everything fades away and I’m in my own very pleasant bubble...

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I find that the cable noise from my Etys can be (mostly) mitigated by using the collar clip.  As some have said, not perfect but pretty good.

 

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So--question: is the reason on-air broadcast talent use the old-school Telex style buds with the nickel-sized driver and the curly clear plastic tube because that system transmits less cable noise to the ear?

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19 hours ago, Philip Perkins said:

... on-air broadcast talent use the old-school Telex style buds with the nickel-sized driver and the curly clear plastic tube because that system transmits less cable noise to the ear?

 

If the talent is sitting (or even standing still) there shouldn't be too much noise from the cable. And they're using these phones for cues and director notes, not to evaluate sound quality.

 

I always thought they used them because at the time they came out, they were less obtrusive visually than a large driver in their ear. 

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