Jeff Wexler Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Apple has officially announced announced that Final Cut Pro X, Motion 5 and Compressor 4 are available today on the Mac App Store. "Final Cut Pro X is the biggest advance in Pro video editing since the original Final Cut Pro," said Philip Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing. "We have shown it to many of the world's best Pro editors, and their jaws have dropped." The newest version of Final Cut Pro offers features such as Magnetic Timeline that lets you edit on a flexible, trackless canvas; Content Auto-Analysis that categorizes your content upon import by shot type, media and people; and background rendering that allows you to work without interruption. According to Apple's press release, Final Cut Pro X is available today for $299.99 from the Mac App Store. Motion 5 and Compressor 4 are also available today for $49.99 each from the Mac App Store. Macworld posts a "First Look" at the software. Apple's new Final Cut Pro X has been re-designed from the ground up with a radically different approach -- one that acknowledges and uses device and camera data in a manner that has never before been attempted in the video editing environment. Update: Final Cut Pro [App Store], Motion [App Store] and Compressor [App Store] are live in the App Store. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelo Waldron Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Apple has officially announced announced that Final Cut Pro X, Motion 5 and Compressor 4 are available today on the Mac App Store. "Final Cut Pro X is the biggest advance in Pro video editing since the original Final Cut Pro," said Philip Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing. "We have shown it to many of the world's best Pro editors, and their jaws have dropped." The newest version of Final Cut Pro offers features such as Magnetic Timeline that lets you edit on a flexible, trackless canvas; Content Auto-Analysis that categorizes your content upon import by shot type, media and people; and background rendering that allows you to work without interruption. According to Apple's press release, Final Cut Pro X is available today for $299.99 from the Mac App Store. Motion 5 and Compressor 4 are also available today for $49.99 each from the Mac App Store. Macworld posts a "First Look" at the software. Apple's new Final Cut Pro X has been re-designed from the ground up with a radically different approach -- one that acknowledges and uses device and camera data in a manner that has never before been attempted in the video editing environment. Update: Final Cut Pro [App Store], Motion [App Store] and Compressor [App Store] are live in the App Store. Hmmmm.... they are making it look the same as Logic and the new Protools... a new "gray" look.... Unknown so far if they have fixed the 24p/23.9 bug. So many unsuspecting users want to edit their video at 24 fps 'just like film' no matter what frame yet they shot it at. Been dealing with this since version 1.0 at a college. Avid dropped the ball at the educational level, at the same time coming out with the statement "We are no longer supporting the Apple platform".. anybody remember that? Avid went Windows NT and it tanked. Now FCP at $299, while it used to be about $1500, around $500 student discount. The tools are getting cheaper, computers faster, all we need now are ideas, and the smarts to use these tools maturely. Lastly, what is a "flexible, trackless canvas... Magnetic Timeline? My guess is... creative editors cannot be bothered with track numbers, so they took them away!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Feeley Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Philip Hodgetts goes into some detail about what's in...and what's out of... the new FCP app (it ain't just a rev): http://www.philiphodgetts.com/2011/06/what-are-the-answers-to-the-unanswered-questions-about-final-cut-pro-x/ Want to send a mix to Pro Tools (or for this audience, want to have a mix sent to Pro Tools)? Chat with the good people at Automatic Duck...and send them $495: http://automaticduck...products/pefcp/ FCP X is interesting, though I'm not deleting my FCP7 installs right away, that's for sure. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelo Waldron Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Ha....! FCPX has dropped OMF export... not good. But HEY, who needs audio post anyway, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 If it was so good before, why are all the really radical changes needed?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Feeley Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 I think Apple would rather solve the workflow and editing problems of millions rather than those of thousands. FCPX, for all my trepidation about it, will appeal to many more people than FCP7, and that's because of the radical changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 in other words: adding more sizzle?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfisk Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Ha....! FCPX has dropped OMF export... not good. But HEY, who needs audio post anyway, right? *facepalm* WHY would they do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 (edited) the new timeline, however intuitive, feels as if it was lifted directly out of iMovie, Apple's consumer-level editing app that is included with all of its computers. (Apple's Chief video architect, Randy Ubillos, is the connective link here.) I'll wait for the next version: FCsP-XIII Edited June 21, 2011 by studiomprd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundtrane Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 dropped OMF export - Yeah!!! now I can expect to receive feature film post work that is edited on an Avid! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Mills Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Sorry guys.. this is the "New Coke" of editing applications. It is much more like a consumer product than a professional product. Have worked with non linear since the days of the Ediflex, with stops at Lightwave, Avid, and Media 100 hardware with Premiere. Started with FCP1 and have continued forward with it as a producer and occasional editor. The Mac programs worked well for my tape finish and then data finish projects, and were actually very able to work with a broad spectrum of source media. No Longer. This program is NOT ready.. and is NOT built to work with ongoing client projects. I guess I will keep FCP7 on hand for as long as possible, and see if someone writes something else for the Mac OS.. Have seen positive comments only from people who were using iMovie and FCP express ... RIP FCP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 I think a lot of editors will be setting up their system for dual boot -- X on one partition, 7 on the other. That way they can try it out but not have to risk their livelihood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Mills Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 I think a lot of editors will be setting up their system for dual boot -- X on one partition, 7 on the other. That way they can try it out but not have to risk their livelihood. It looks so bad I can not imagine bothering to set it up.. It would be like running FCP express along with FCP7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 It looks so bad I can not imagine bothering to set it up.. It would be like running FCP express along with FCP7. There will be some updates that may be to add some of the things they took out of this version back in. They claim that FCPx is not an "update" at all but an entirely new program programmed in 64 bit, which might explain the missing features--maybe they haven't coded them yet. Right now it's taking a lot of heat from working editors. Among the faults: no OMF or AAF export, no EDL export, can't open projects made on earlier versions of FCP (incl 7), and a very alien editing paradigm--not like the older versions at all. I wasn't sure how old a MacPro will run this pgm either. There was some notion that this first release was not "for professionals", although the PR talks about how much "working editors" will dig it. So far reviews are mixed on it. I don't see how it can be adopted into anything like the workflows currently used for larger film and TV productions--maybe that's the point of FCPx: it's for everyone else. The Canon 5D of editors! phil p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_tatooles Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 We have a few dogs in this hunt, both on the sound side and the picture side. FCP X is something altogether different than what came before it, and more like a brand new product. Indeed, iMovie Pro is a great analogy. Whether it works for any specific project is going to be project dependent. Can I see a reality/drama/feature like those in the JWSound world produce cutting dailies on FCP X?..nope. Can I see the news magazine, promo, EPK, and the whole world of DSLR cinema embracing this?..yes. Under the hood, it is radically different than FCP 7, which uses Quicktime for nearly everything. The 32-bit Quicktime foundation is not used for FCP X, and all of the benefits and troubles with it are gone, replaced by ?. It does successfully import multi-track BWF files (I imported a 12-track 788T file), but there isn't much you can do with an audio file besides sliding it along the time line as a blob. It can "export audio", but as stated before, the whole Quicktime-supported XML schema and export is not there (yet/now/ever?). From my quick two-hour sandboxing with the app last night, it is truly made for what Steve Jobs calls the, "Post PC era". I can see this app being port-able to other platforms like iOS and the like. If they have stopped selling FCS (which I couldn't find on the Apple store site this morning), that would be a big indication on which market they feel is their present and future direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pindrop Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Thanks John for your helpful insights - when it imported the 12 track 788T poly file did it have any engagement with the timecode of the file or metadata - track names etc.? We have a few dogs in this hunt, both on the sound side and the picture side. FCP X is something altogether different than what came before it, and more like a brand new product. Indeed, iMovie Pro is a great analogy. Whether it works for any specific project is going to be project dependent. Can I see a reality/drama/feature like those in the JWSound world produce cutting dailies on FCP X?..nope. Can I see the news magazine, promo, EPK, and the whole world of DSLR cinema embracing this?..yes. Under the hood, it is radically different than FCP 7, which uses Quicktime for nearly everything. The 32-bit Quicktime foundation is not used for FCP X, and all of the benefits and troubles with it are gone, replaced by ?. It does successfully import multi-track BWF files (I imported a 12-track 788T file), but there isn't much you can do with an audio file besides sliding it along the time line as a blob. It can "export audio", but as stated before, the whole Quicktime-supported XML schema and export is not there (yet/now/ever?). From my quick two-hour sandboxing with the app last night, it is truly made for what Steve Jobs calls the, "Post PC era". I can see this app being port-able to other platforms like iOS and the like. If they have stopped selling FCS (which I couldn't find on the Apple store site this morning), that would be a big indication on which market they feel is their present and future direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Visser Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Just to play devil's advocate, I feel this "soft release of features" with FCPx is inline with the new Apple corporate strategy. Back when the OS was the OS and the applications were the applications, there was a clear line that divided the applications software developer and Apple or any OS provider for that matter, and everyone understood who did what. Apple provided the container that the applications ran in and everyone had their space. Now that the convergent living features and the OS is not much more integrated into an iLifestyle way of computing, Apple has taken over the role of traditional hardware manufacturer, OS provider, and become a much more vertically integrated solutions provider, with the iLife and iWork apps becoming more integrated into the OS. Features such as iTunes, Mail, iCalendar, Safari, and Addressbook have become almost core parts of the OS user experience, as they synch between machines with Apple web services and to Apple mobile devices. I can no longer think of using the OS without these Apple applications, which in theory should be optional components and could be the user's choice to use Google calendar or some 3rd party mail client. Technically you can, but Apple packages the OS with these applications and to their credit, have provided all the incentive in the world for people to actually use them, due to their synching capabilities with mobile devices and between machines. As a software developer of sorts myself, I can appreciate the desire for such tight knit integration and controls. So, I'm not an editor, most of us here deal with sound, and from our little corner of the world, the most glaring omission is the lack of OMF export and import. OMF export and import allows integration of 3rd party platforms into the modern post workflow. Specifically, Avid ProTools here in the states and to some extent, the rest of the world. Avid, no longer an Apple partner that provides a great audio application that runs hand in hand with the Apple OS, but Avid, the main competitor to Apple Final Cut Pro and the last major blockade to Apple dominating the NLE marketspace. FCP made great inroads, especially with indy, news, and broadcast, but never really was able to unseat Avid from the position of #1 film / feature editor. So from this perspective, it sort of makes sense that Apple stressed user interface, an iMovie like experience (no disrespect to iMove, I think it is a great application and I'm sure the UI advancements are in fact progressive), attracting those consumers already embroiled in the Apple experience, iMovie users, people who post videos to Facebook, watch movies on iPhones, etc... but leaves those people who are not 100% Apple application based, Avid users, Autodesk, etc... on the side stage, waiting for this functionality to appear, wondering if it will ever appear. I believes this signals Apples new era of professional application domination strategy. Apple is surely unhappy about the failure for Logic to really unseat Pro Tools as the "King DAW". Logic is popular with composers, non-professional musicians / independent engineers, but like Mediacomposer, Pro Tools dominates in the studio. Apple would rather see a forceful unseating of Pro Tools in the post environment rather than continue to support it sideways with OMF capabilities. OK, maybe this goes a bit too far and seems conspiracy theory ridden, but what I do observe, and I think many others are voicing in the form of negative feedback, is that Apple has clearly not listened to professionals and delivered a product that fits into a professional workflow, but has instead delivered its new vision of the future of professional NLE and is waiting for the professional community to fall in line behind it. Perhaps Apple is right and that is what needs to be done. But one has to ponder where Apple's priorities lie in the future and since many of us make a living in the sound recording and processing profession, will Apple cater to our needs or is simply counting on a technological extinction of our whole industry? Do they want to receive $1000 from 10,000 working professionals or would they rather receive $299 from 500,000 prosumers? From a business perspective, it is obvious what the right decision is and makes me concerned about Apple's abilities to continue to serve the professional industries from here on out, seeing that they are no longer satisfied just to provide the container OS for 3rd party apps to run. Even 3rd party apps now are sold through the app store. Approved or banned by Apple as they see fit. Total control over even independent software developers and monetizing their activities as well. Maybe if Avid sold Pro Tools via the app store, then Apple would concede and start catering to Pro Tools users' needs, as it is then officially "part of the family". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_tatooles Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 I put together a quick screencast dropping a multi-track Broadcast WAV file into FCP. Here she is: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=Lfi0GvUKbf4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Visser Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 I put together a quick screencast of me dropping in a multi-track Broadcast WAV file into FCP. Here she is: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=Lfi0GvUKbf4 Hi John, thanks for the video. Because FCP X shows the audio clip's start time, can you easily spot it to the timeline at the correct timecode position? Obviously it is not a chore to do this manually, but curious in the context if one had like a hundred audio clips with TC stamp, how feasible it would be to easily import and populate the timeline in proper time position, especially considering that there might have been multiple recorders rolling at different and overlapping intervals. This was one thing that I found extremely frustrating with the earlier FCP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pindrop Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Thanks John that's useful - first impression from this is that Final Cut X is a toy or am I just old-fashioned? I put together a quick screencast of me dropping in a multi-track Broadcast WAV file into FCP. Here she is: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=Lfi0GvUKbf4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Reineke Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Dropped OMF? What's the reasoning behind that? They never supported AAF either though? ( not to be confused with AIF) How's the audio going to get from FCP to PTs, Nuendo or or other post audio app. Maybe to 'force' one into using Sound Trk,, Garage Band or . or some other dummy-downed over-priced Mac specific audio application. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 " Maybe to 'force' one into using ... " ya' think?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afewmoreyears Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 It's getting hammered by the pros.... Hammered...... Since I am NOT a pro, I picked up a copy.. Seems OK to me, but I am NO editor.... But I would like to get in the game a bit... I have always loathed this prospect, but better late than never.... What they did makes sense financially..... With more and more "home grown movie makers" they wanted to dumb it down to cater to the masses and reduce the price.... They will now sell millions of copies, not tens of thousands... Did they hang their core high end users out to dry? maybe, but we have no idea of their plans.... Maybe they have something up their sleeves, or plan on a continued update to the older system everyone loved... who knows.... Now i get to edit some mindless crap of my own though... I am happy for now.... I do like the sync function to sync up my duel system audio without plural eyes... seems to work fine, but my test was pretty easy.... and without any challenges for the computer to figure out....B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 instead of continuing toward "really PRO", they are jumping back towards Semi-PRO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmgoodin Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Thanks John that's useful - first impression from this is that Final Cut X is a toy or am I just old-fashioned? No, you are right they have decided to abandon the professional market and cater to the you-tube producer. It is a very slick product for the home user to be able to easily string together all those clips of family members being hit in the nuts by wiffle balls and cats falling off furniture into something artistic. Kind of reminds me of the new Premiere Elements software with the One click to create a movie. Just point it to a folder with your clips and it will do the rest. Step right up newbie editors, no editing knowledge or creativity required. You will notice that all previous Versions of FCP or FCP Studio are no longer available from Apple. Instant Orphans. And they are probably only one more OSX update (post Lion) away from total incompatibility as they move to abandon support for 32 bit hardware and software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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