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Hey all. It is true that the 695 web site is for members only which is newz to me, but it makes sense I guess. They/we members are paying the cost to stream the clips, but from my POV it would be great if all our future members could learn from them as well. Old School/NewSchool CrewC

Hey yea, if looks count, I'm in. I hope someone tests one soon and reports back here, I need to spend more money, just don't tell the long suffering Mrs Chamberlain. CrewC

Yea boy, camera car shots can be a mofo or a piece of cake. windows up, new car or truck, pretty simple. Convertable, bad rig and gels flapping, one long drop into hell for the sound crew. I too use just the deva 4 most of the time and if luck is with me all is well. I also give a big shout out to Steve Morrow and the great job he and his crew did on "Little Miss Sunshine" GREAT FILM WITH A SOUND TRACK TO MATCH. Steve is a good director as well and if you ever get to see "Livin with Lou" you'll get my POV. The man has more going than most and is a gentelman as well. Good luck with whatever your doing Steve, big fan. CrewC

Hey Paul, et all.... It would be nice if us deva users could go back and correct the meta data of takes when the info changes at the last second, or is not conveyed at all. It would also be nice if the sound reports, or copys of our reports always traveled with the sound media, I always assumed they did, so that post could read our notes. I also always out of old habits Vo slate the head and tail of all takes so that anyone listening would know what take it is/was regardless of the metadata embedded in the file. I'm so old school that I still 1 beep the head, and 2 beep the tail of all takes. In my world of commercials timecode is king and that is all telecine and post care about. On some days the shoot is so crazy that you seldom get to enter sc/tk#'s. Most days though we enter all the data and are good record keepers by an large, until the last min change comes our way and we can't make the change even with the 10 sec preroll. So yea in my world it would be great to revisit the metadata and correct it, but with longform work like films with their extended post prod. all over the world, it seems that this would be a nessesity. I'm sure that day is coming, but then so is Christmas. P.S> to Paul... It was very cool that you n Randy let Case dayplay with you two on O.13, he is pretty green for the game you play, but he had a ball and learned a boatload. Thanks. CrewC PSS I would love to hear your take on your work on "The Good German".

Hey Rob, I'm not sure about that, I'll find out. I hope it is open to all interested folks. CrewC

Hey all, I just reviewed the streaming video classes that local 695 has posted on it's web site and there is a wealth of info there. Thanks to Sally, Jeff, Wolf, and Laurence for all their effort in making this happen. CrewC

Hey all, I just got around to reading the Sunday NYTimes, and their was a wonderful story on the old school way Soderbergh went about making the Good German. I've met Paul the mixer, but I don't know him well, and I know Randy, the boom op very well and will make a call to him for some more info about how they went about their craft on that picture. Maybe he will post his take on that project here on JW's site. Hope you all can read the story, it's very interesting to my way of thinking. Cheers, Old School

I was thinking the other day about Tom, wondering why I hadn't seen a post from You, and now I know why. The good news is your working, the bad news is how your working. Jesus F..ing Christ, sounds like your on a never ending wacked out commercial nightmare with no adults in sight. I've had bad days in commercial world like you so well describe in your post, but it was over in a day or two, not3,4,5,months or more. WOW! You may be right about the old days being gone, but for now not forgotten by some of us at least. Good luck on the rest of the shoot, and post more about the film when and if you get a chance. CrewC

Marydixie n I are shooting a comercial in Altadena today. our director did show up and unlike Jeff we are still are here and working. It's cool though, good people all around n we are having a lot of laugh's. I finally finished cutting Don Coufals boom class that I shot way back in Aug... I hope to have it posted on the 695 site very soon. Mucho good stuff Don spells out in his own style and I think new and old sound people can enjoy and learn from it. It's a bit over an hour long, but I still enjoy it even after cutting it, not always the case after working on a project. By the way, this is the most words Don has ever spoken at one time, a personal best so enjoy. CrewC

Wow, all these years that I've known you and I didn't know you were an Aries, (what ever that is). So am I. Maybe I did know at one time, but today it is news to me. Lets start a new poll and see who else is an Aries, and who wants to be an Aries. Or not. As for the new theme for your site, it is very clean and all, but the colors could be warmer, or is that my fire sign speaking... Happy H 2 the O 2 the Ween.... U all. Old School CrewC

Hey Jeff, welcome home, hope all is well... The new look is clean and sharp on my end. I had no complaints as to the old look, but change is good in my book. If it's up for vote, I'll go for it. CrewC

They love ya till they hate ya in this biz, or till they need ya. Alot of good posts on the sign of the times thread. I think RVDMXR hit a grand slam with his post. Crew C

I wrote a reply last night when I got home after a 12 hr day that was 14 plus with drive time. It was not as good as the ones I'm reading today so I am glad I went to bed instead. This is a hard biz in a lot of ways, as the days roll into nights, into weeks and years and the price we pay is hefty with regards to our health and family life. I try to seek balance in my nonworking life with family, food, fun, and projects for myself and no one else. So far it seems to be working, of course if you saw me in person you might question this last statment. old school

In the commercial world I live in, I call roll 1 of a job an abrieviation of the company, today I'm working with Smuggeler, so I call my folder SMG1, next day, SMG2,etc. This way I don't have multiple roll 1's if I need to revisit a folder on my drive. For my world this is better than dates as folder names. Besides the date is already in the user bits. On the dvdram and the jewel case I lable them as folderSMG1 I also say day 1, the date, product, 24/48k/30ndf/b.wav.p. So far this has worked well enough for me in that no one has complained, But I would do it differently if asked to do so. We still call movies, films no matter what medium it was shot on so I guess it really doesn't matter if we call them rolls, folders, or todays load of BS, but we have to call them something. old school

Hey Marty welcome to Jeffs site, I hope you enjoy it as much as I do. I am also waiting and waiting for the arrival of the xfr-100. The Zaxcom weeks are few? I hope so cause it is my 1st choice as a back up recorder. I'm also thinking about the SD 2 trk with tc. I'm not sure I understand your turning point comment. It's a recorder. It is small yes, but I don't see it changing how we work so much as being one more tool in the toolbox. Welcome aboard. old school

Hey all, another sat. and I'm working in downtown LA. My Brother Moe is on another comercial shooting 3 blocks away by the 6th street bridge. My son Case is booming a low budg movie with Easystreet McKee in a dive bar 6 blocks north of us, what can I say, we are thick as thieves in LA. As to getting on R.A.M.P.S. through google, I didn't know there was any other way. Oh well, live an learn... Hey Jeff, hope you n Don are having a great time in Paris, and for my 2cents, I like the site just as it is. Old School

Thats great... Thank you so much for the post. What a moment in time. Who knows what all was learned at that moment with the introduction to tape delay to the Beatles. Made my day. old school

Hey Courtney, I have plenty of files you can use, I'm running 2.28, are you looking for newer versions? As far as I know, this is the last upgrade Zaxcom is offering at this point on there site. Give me a call if this is of any help. CrewC

Greetings. Check out your market rates, Kansas City is not the same as L.A./N.Y. as far as $ per day rates. 1 rate for basic prod. package. Ala cart after that is the norm. Good luck. O.S.

I'll bite. Day 2 of 3 on a ReMax comercial with a great company outa Chi town. Good crew all around, many fun people. The dayys are 10 n under and our work is 1 schoeps overhead with quiet sets, not a bad way to live the dream. Of course the next job will no doubt be a soundmans hell. Old School

Hey Mick and all, greetings... The Best way to become a good mixer is to work with a great boom op, and if luck is in your corner, a good third. I worked in all three job classifications, and had the great fortune to work with some of the best sound crews of my era, and maybe a few "not so much", but I feel safe saying that the boom op is the key link in the chain. Personally I loved the zen craft of booming, when it was good, it was beter than good, even to this day I still want to do it. When it was bad, well, how many words are there for shit? Same as when your the mixer or the 3rd man. The safety net is always the soundcrew / team. Never forget that you are only as good as your team. Max. Respect to all... Old School

I agree that one should be a mixer instead of a recordist for film work if for no other reason than that telecine needs to xfer something for dalies and they only have 2 trks., and as Jeff points out, it is at least a starting point for post. I too like the option of multi trks to iso radios etc for post to have in case of whatever. I only avail myself of the extra trks 20 to 30%of the time in my comercial work, mostly rf work on busy sreets and the like. Most of the comercials I do are 1 trk, though I lay it down on trks 1 & 2. My brother Moe C has recorded multitrack for all the IBM comercials that Joe Pytka has shot for the last 5 plus years and they have almost always used his two trk mono mix. In my tracking work recording bands in my home studio, I use the deva and all 8 trks all the time, Mostly for recording the drums and I use my digi002 for the rest of the band and I import the drums from the Deva into Protools on a second pass later. works great. So if I have a point here it is that for film, be a mixer, and for music, be a recordist. Old School

Hey all, I believe all POV's are valid and welcomed as long as they don't get personal. I think this thread has been good for the community and fun as well. The hardest thing to do with this form of dialog is get the point across without the voice and face to help one express a POV. That said, I think RVD and Mick do a great job expressing themselves with the written word and should continue the dialog here or in person, maybe lunch over at Universal or something. I don't see a plus side to listing bad sound work in TV or Films, too many examples of bad sound abound, so no list would be complete, and we will never know all the variables that went into a production. A list of good work is of more value IMHO. I'm off to the beach. Old School

Larry, I was born in april if that's what your asking. Have a great weekend all, I just got wrapped. O.S.

Hey Larry Long... I hear you bro. I understand that somedays you eat the signal to noise ratio, and that somedays the s2n ratio eats you, or however the saying goes, that I can live with, it is reality. But man o man I hate unprofessional workers who don't respect the process. My only advice is ""don't take it home with you"". Have a tall cold one, or a short fat one, and take your better half out dancing, enjoy the short life we have. Of course I'm working another Saturday, so what do I know? Old School