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I am very glad for every help I get from you guys, because I understand that this is not your "level" and it is almost like if you were asking me about which "Point&Shoot" camera to buy. After browsing this thread and other sources again and again it I am thinking about the following setup when I have to do it alone: Sennheiser K6/ME66(if you recommend, then NTG-3) for outdoor/on camera mic Audio Technica AT4053B for indoor - fixed boom mic into Tascam DR-60D with setting limiters/safe channel and not trying to ride levels I really will have to try what can I achieve without sound crew and for low budget productions stick with basic gear/crew. If I have a budget then I will definitely try to hire a professional sound crew, because this thread helped me understand how important it is.

Sorry for the late reply, but I was on holiday and I was happy to not have an internet connection Thanks for the suggestion. I will definitely need to experiment a bit with the microphones. The MKH50 is very big investment considering that as often as I can I will hire a professional boom operator/mixer. So, if it is not an option, then I need an equipment for those situations (low budget shoots). I will check out the AKG and Audio Technica as you suggested. I also heard that Sennheiser 416 and Rode NTG-3 are great for on camera use. Maybe it would be better as trying to do the fixed boom mic trick. Right now I am pretty confused, because there is so many options, so many suggestions it is pretty hard to decide which way to go. And as I told earlier it is not an option to rent equipment, because we do not have renting houses for video, so I need to pull the trigger and buy something to start with.

We will have to try this solution too. I suppose in our learning curve there will be a lot of trial error, on the other hand if we crew up everything it is still not the end of the world, because we can re-create the sound at worst case. It is a good idea to rent equipment or hire someone with gear, but as I mentioned it is not easy in Hungary, because we do not have lot of professional sound crew here. You are right that I do not want to become a soundie, but I have to have at least something for audio recording if I can not hire a professional audio guy. At least some basic equipment. The MKH50 is definitely not bacis, but so many members recommended it, that I suppose with that mic it will be less likely to totally screw up the sound. And on the other hand it is still better investment as the camera Nem szabad google translate használni Field monitor is almost necessary for the C100, because it really does not have a good LCD. Not really suited for checking focus and if we will work with primes it will be really hard without filed monitor to judge the focus.

So to re-write my initial question: If boom operator/mixer is not an option, because the budget does not allow hiring sound guy, what should I do to get at least acceptable sound? How can I get the best audio from that situation?

Thanks for the advice. As I said in my previous post I changed my whole approach about sound and now I am really sure that if the budget allows I will hire a professional sound guy, maybe try to find at least some students from film schools. Great idea. On the other hand I still need a Plan B, where my budget will not allow hiring a professional - in that case I am not sure what to do. If just mount the mic on boom in fixed position or mount on camera (no one really advises this) to get at least an usable audio when boom operator/mixer is not an option. Thanks RPSharman for contributing in thread. I have read many times how much you like your MKH50 and it was the starting point for me to start thinking about buying one. Also many members recommended that particular mics for this work, so maybe I am "safe" with that one, even not the cheapest

You are not making it easy for me I think I will have to change my whole approach and re-think everything. Maybe really the best bet would be finding a boom operator/mixer who knows what he is doing.

Jeremy, I understand. And as I previously said, if the budget would allow I would hire a professional. If I were living in LA, NY or other big city then it would be easier as here where we do not have professional film studios, therefore I suppose not many audio pros. Also we need to keep the crew as small as possible, because it is a totally different as doing a proper movie. There you have x days and you are there x days in row. Here we have to do a shoot during one day and no one knows where we are going next. It is almost impossible to find a pro audio guy who is willing to work like this.

No, I have never said that what you are doing is not a craft and that you do not deserve to get properly paid for it. The more I learn about sound recording the more I admire you as professionals who can deal with the sound part of the movies. You have my respect for that. But approach of some of the members is what I do not really like - why do they have to show me that I know nothing compared to them and make joke of me? I am really not invested in criticizing anyone who chooses to post a comment which is somehow helpful. Yes, have fun here about this topic, joke about it, but please add some useful info. If someone is just making fun of the topic and me why do you call me a troll and not them? "If it's the former, you may be well suited for playing the submissive in your films." I have not tried to insult you in any way, so why would you? If you read my reaction on your post I told you that I partially agree with you. I have made a statement that some members here are making only fun of this. If you read it, I did not mention it was you and I did not mean it was you. If it seemed to you that it is addressed to you then I am sorry, I did not meant you.

Thank for the comment. I am even with MKH50 a bit worried that it is too directional, but at the beginning I was also thinking about picking up the CS3e (a bit problematic to obtain in EU). The problem is that I need to record the voice of the model and the "action sounds" at the same time. That would mean maybe I need two mics, one for voice and the other for action. I am not sure.

We will be using different rooms, different locations almost every time. Another vote for MKH50, thanks. As you can see you are not the first one thinking about planting mic somewhere closer. The problem with this is that I know almost nothing about booming, mixing and microphones (watched few videos, read a lot of forum post etc), but I know even less on how these planted mics works, what mic are used etc. I think that one "position"/shot will be recorded for 10-15 minutes, it does not seem to me a long time for holding a boom, but maybe just because I have never done it

Thanks, I think this was one of the most useful post I have read. Currently this setup is what I am actually considering to start with - C100 - MixPre - MKH50. I was not thinking about back up on Zoom or other device, thank you really much it is so obvious, but I was not thinking about it until now Yes, there will be a cable to field monitor, so an additional cable will not be a problem. "get someone to help you with the boom. give them headphones so they can hear what they are doing." I know that usually the boom operator/mixer is the same person at least on lower budget films. But if a boom operator will be just a friend how to deal with this. Will I be able to do the "mixing" (adjusting gain) while doing the video/camera work or is it much better to have a boom operator doing also the mixing? Sennheiser G3 can be added later, thanks for pointing out this option too. It is very useful for me to get this kind of responses Mainly bedrooms will be used, but nice to know in future. I will also try to make any room more "sound recording friendly". I am not really asking for what is the best, maybe it was even a bad idea to state it in my first post. Rather I am trying to figure out how to start out with what kind of setup and how to use it. Yes, in this case sound does not play that important rule, but I can imagine that getting good sound is very important and can be quite difficult in some situations. This is why I am here, trying to keep it simple, but squeeze out the most of the sound part of the movie Mike, you are not far from truth. Also as a photographer I am trying to do everything by myself, because I know that when I am doing it it is done properly. I am doing photography for "few" years now and have a pretty good equipment, but still I am the one who is lighting the scene, carrying the bags, making the marketing etc. I know that in movies it will not be possible and I need a crew, but I think it is not actually bad to know what others are doing. So, maybe if I hire a "professional" sound guy and will see that he knows less then me....Mr. Wexler was also pointing out that I am not using my real name. In other case I would, but you know, in adult we are trying to protect our privacy as it is possible, because not "everyone" understands that this is a proper job/work...you know what I mean.

Sorry for late answers, but moderator needed to approve my posts. Now I can reply quicker. Thanks. You are right that the talent moves and maybe moves even more as during an interview situation. Definitely will try to work with boom operator, however as I stated previously we need to be as compact crew as it is possible. I heard some good things about Audix, but some prefer Audio Technica 4053b which is easier to obtain in EU. But as you can see lot of member suggest going for MKH 50...much more expensive, but I understand, that mic usually last longer as cameras, so it is a good investment. Even if painful at the beginning. This is exactly why we work - to pay our bills...for me money is money and until is is legal I do not really care where it comes from. As you said work is work. In Hungary I can not work - make videos - for Hollywood movies for obvious reasons, but we have here a lot of adult models/talents. I think it is important to use what you have - and the because Hungary is not rich country a lot of models are working also for adult. Thanks very much, it is good idea to hear about other aspects of sound, not only considering what gear to use. I definitely leaning towards using a mixer not to clip sound. I am really trying to learn how to produce quality video, quality sound etc. It is in definition not that typical "amateur" movie most of members imagine. I would like to step further and make something that does not look like a "one man band" movie. Thanks for coming and contributing in the thread. I was sure that you are very experienced member of the forum and that is the reason why you are usually....how to say it...not the most helpful with new amateur contributors. I am a photographer, so I would imagine that I would do a same if someone would be asking what camera should they get. "So far, I am writing as I read your initial.posting, and have also figured out you are not really a sound person, or even candidate, but just want to make your movies; that's fine, go ahead, and frankly a lot of the Adult Movies have terrible sound, and few even care!" You are right, I am not trying to pretend that I am a sound person or I would like to be a boom operator/mixer/sound person in the future. I only would like to learn what are the basic for getting adequate/good sound in adult industry without getting the answer - hire a professional. I would like to know what to buy to start in adult. "there is no "magic microphone", and you do not really need much equipment, or professional equipment. I personally prefer the Tascam line (or Marantz) over anything called Zoom... want to be a cheap snob? NAGRA Pico!!" I am not trying to get the magic microphone, I know that it does not exist. As I already stated I am trying to learn how can we get the best sound and what equipment to obtain to be able to record quality audio. I know that it is not about gear, but we have to start somewhere. This why it is not strictly a gear thread, but I am also looking for other advice what to do, how to do. I understand that you can not teach me how to record sound properly in forum, but some insights on how it would theoretically work/how others are doing it always helps a lot. "< bluntness warning > who are you asking about lenses, cameras, lighting, shots, editing, music, and so much more? " I am primarily a photographer, but I have to start doing this job - I do not really care that I have to - because I think it has potential and I can make some money. I am not expecting to be rich, I only want to pay my bills, thats it. So, I do not needed a lot of advice of what video gear to get, because it is somehow related to photography. When I start to do something new I am always really enthusiastic and often can sit in front of tutorials, books hundreds of hours and another hundreds just trying out how it works. "A way back in my career, when I was still pretty hungry for work and income, I got asked to do an Adult Movie, and offered a decent rate; I asked an experienced mentor if I should take the job (or would it ruin my budding career??) and his response was: "you aren't going to be acting in it, are you? OK, work is work"*. It paid a lot better than low-no budget crap I was being offered, and I actually made a lot of money working on Adult Movies, and in fact was often working for one of the top production companies in the porn industry, and not ashamed to say so." "here is plenty of $$ to be made in the "Adult Films" marketplace, and good crews should be paid properly, as well..." The times changed and it is no longer a "goldmine", it used to be...Maybe because I am the new in the industry I am not fully aware of rates, but I have talked with few websites and I really have to consider if I am going to buy the AT 4053b or MKH50 because of the budget (those mic were just an example). With that much budget I would hire a professional and be safe on audio side, but I can not afford it. "Is this a hoax/joke/setup/troll ?? Are you yanking our collective chains ?? there are a number of inconsistencies in the OP, but this thread has the potential to be fun!!" Yes, have fut for sure, but at the same time please try to help me and not only make fun. It does not really help me Is this a hoax/joke/troll? You decide....do you think I would really invest so much time on asking and answering if it was for fun/trolling? No, I really do not have time to troll. Maybe there are inconsistencies in what I am asking, because I am so new that I am sometimes not even sure what I am asking, but at least I am trying to understand the audio side of doing videos. "also agree that any improvement in the recording space will be beneficial, and probably more important than sound equipment... Other groups may be more helpful, of course, and some books that might provide some good, though non-specific to porn, information include: Jay Rose's at www.dplay.com, and Rick Viers' bible at www.mwp.com" I will definitely check it out. Thanks for posting those links.

There is something true in this. But it is interesting that every time some newbie ask a question here almost always the answer is - "hire a professional boom operator/mixer". Ok, if the budget allows and there is opportunity to do it why not, but there are times when it is not possible. But what is someone - me? - wants to learn how to do it and I am not saying that I want to be a professional in this field, but I would like to do at least a decent job while dealing with the audio. I do not understand why most forum members are not trying to give at least a basic advice on a gear and how to use it properly. I really want to learn and I do not expect miracles at the beggining, but it does not help me a lot when some forum members make joke of me and post for example "condoms on the mics?" - that reveals something about the quality of the person.

The golden ages of the adult industry is over. These days everything is free and it is really difficult to squeeze out some money from it. Therefore I am not sure about this, despite I do not know the usual budget of small films/movies. Not all forums allow talking about adult, even if it is only technical aspect of it. But as I see now, maybe I have made a bad decision of opening a thread here at jwsoundgroup. I thought that this is forum, because some experienced guys are willing to help, but I am not sure... You are a second one suggesting MKH50. I am sure it is a great mic, but maybe too directional? You know I have to care about recording the voice of the female talent and the "action". Maybe using two mics would be more ideal? But again, that would make things even more difficult. Does the MKH 50 have good pickup pattern to record the voice and the "action"/body sounds at the same time? Thank you. A lot of useful advice for me in your post, really appreciate it, because as you can see I do not get many usable advice from here. It is for sure a challenging environment, it is not like an usual production, because we have to limit our crew to be only 2-3 person, but at the same time produce quality. Lot of members here do not understand, that I am willing to learn it how to do it properly and hiring a pro sound guy is not in budget/the crew would be too big/we need a person who can travel with us when needed. As I already stated here we do not have a lot of professional sound guys, so the best bet for us would be learn how to do it properly by our own crew. I think the best "starting" gear is right now MKH50 to SD MixPre to C100. I am still not sure about how to boom, if we need at least a friend doing the boom work, or placing the boom fixed would do the job. I think that we will need at least someone dealing with the booming if we need quality sound. I would be interested if I can deal with the mixing and adjusting levels as a camera guy or it would be too much work for one person? Jeff, I understand what you are saying and appreciate how correctly do you handle this situation, but I think you understand what I tried to say. I am using an alias name, because here in adult industry we try to protect our privacy.

Thanks Jeff for approving the thread. I am afraid you were right about what kind of comments will I get. I do not really understand, if someone is professional why does he not behave like professional. Some members showing that they are far from being professionals - it is always much easier to make joke of someone instead of trying to help. I can understand that a lot of sarcasm will be made here, but it would be nice to also get some useful advice.