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3 hours ago, Wandering Ear said:
I was wondering if you were actually looking for a rack mixer, not an interface, but I didn't understand your whole workflow, so I didn't second guess your inquiry.
ART, Rolls, Berringher, lots of companies make small rack mount mixers. I haven't used any of them though, so I can't help with recommending one over the other.
Yeah, looks like I need a rack mixer. Problems I'm running into are that there aren't enough full-size XLR inputs, no Mic/Line switching, little to no VU metering, or a combination of the three. I ordered the Behringer MX882 since its so cheap. It only does line level but that should be fine for now.
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On 2/21/2016 at 1:57 PM, ronmac said:
I use a MOTU 8PRE as a backup and extender to my RME for larger jobs. Nothing glamorous, but it is solid.
So I got the 8pre and it has the same problem. It looks like I haven't been looking for the correct equipment. What I need is a rack-mount mixer, probably aimed at installations like stage performances and houses of worship, not a USB interface for instruments. This seems like a new topic, not sure if I should start a different thread about rack-mount mixers?
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17 minutes ago, Constantin said:
Motu and RME have software mixers included, maybe that'll help?
MOTU is pretty solid. I had the 8pre for a few years, although I'm sure it was only firewire then. I to have the hallucination that RME sounds better, but I've heard bad things about their Mix software. Although the Octamic does have 8 pots
Thanks for the advice! The 8pre should be here Monday. Gotta love Amazon: no reason not to just try everything out and return it if it's not what you're looking for.
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5 minutes ago, Olle Sjostrom said:
The Joeco then? Can that be an interface?
The JoeCo stuff is really neat! Unfortunately it doesn't look like it has the hardware mixing capabilities I'll need. Also, I don't need a recorder, just an interface as the streaming software on the PC will handle the recording.
8 minutes ago, Philip Perkins said:If you really want rack mount and an inteface, I'd go RME. Pretty bullet proof, great drivers and TotalMix works very well. I have had many diff interfaces over the years from various companies, the most fullproof has been RME (and I have the hallucination that they sound better too). I currently also have some Focusrite interfaces from the "Scarlett" line. Much cheaper than RME, and while the little 2 chan bus-powered box has been fine the larger 18-input box has been fussy and doesn't sound as good as RME (to me). If you really CAN live without the stuff a computer recording rig can do (like edit and mix), I too like the idea of a hardware recorder, esp now that a decent cheap ones exist.
The RME stuff looks great but it seems to lack hardware knobs/faders for more than 4 channels. My goal is to control all the audio levels from the rack itself so that on the PC I never have to navigate away from the streaming software.
I just ordered the MOTU 8pre on Amazon. I'll give that a try and get back to you guys. If that doesn't work I'll probably go Steinberg or Focusrite (even though I've heard that might have the same issues as the M-Box). If that doesn't work I may go with a dedicated rack mixer in front of a simple 2-channel USB interface and just give up on a single solution.
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47 minutes ago, Olle Sjostrom said:
I'm sure you can get an F8 into a rack case in some way. You could check with the various usual suspects frequently mentioned on here.
Absolutely, and I'll go that route if the other rack mount solutions don't pan out.
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2 hours ago, Wandering Ear said:
It sounds like your inputs are mostly line level, do you actually need 8 mic pres? Or just 8 inputs? There are lots of options from motu, rme, Audient, focusrite, etc. All should work well with a wide range of budget options.
I looked at your suggestions, it looks like the Audient rack-mount solutions are all mixers and the USB interfaces are just 2 channel units. Its not exactly what I'm looking for but if it ends up being the best solution I'm certainly open to it (I have an old Mbox2 already that I could use as the interface), and the RME units seem to have all front-facing XLR ins or no front panel gain controls. The MOTU stuff looks promising, though. I'm looking at the MOTU 8re USB($549) and the MOTU 8M($1495). Any feedback on these would be greatly appreciated!
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Hey Olle,
That's a good suggestion and may be the way I end up going if I can't find what I'm looking for but I would like to get a rack mounted solution if possible. I have a Sound Devices 633 but I'm trying to negate it for this set-up so that everything is contained in my 4ru SKB case.
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Hey,
You're right, I probably don't need 8 pres, I'd like to have 4 XLR in's for the 411s and 2 for audio from a TV/Game system and computer audio (All on the rear). The M-Audio was nice because it had two inputs on the front if I wanted to throw in a boom or some other mic. Do you have any preferences in the brands you mentioned? I know a friend of mine has a Focusrite that he says also has bleed issues, probably due to signal strength.
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Hello All,
I'm putting together a small rack-mount kit and need a USB audio interface for it. I bought an M-Audio M-Track 8 but there were some issues with audio bleeding between tracks, probably due to the signal being too hot coming in, so I'm looking for a replacement. The inputs will be Lectro Wireless, Computer Audio, and audio split from an HDMI input. What I need are:
8x or more Pre-Amps (At least 6 of which are on the rear of the unit)
USB 2.0 or 3.0 interface
Rack Mountable (preferably 1ru)
Hardware Controlled (I.E. Knobs)I think I've primarily been looking at music oriented interfaces so far so I may need help finding something more capable of handling the types of signals I'll be feeding it.
Thanks in advance for the help!
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http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/04/hdmi-2-0-official-4k-60fps-32-channel-audio/
"support for up to 32 audio channels, "dynamic auto lipsync" and additional CEC extensions."
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I'll be there. Its not quite NAB East, but its close enough.
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I feel like I've seen breakthroughs for new battery technologies every other day. Hopefully one will make it to market.
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Just out of curiosity, where are you shooting at in Georgia?
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If I'm reading this correctly, in order to get the wireless timecode generation and audio, you need a separate device.
REDsync Master - $2900
Weight: Aprox. 1lb
Features:-
RF ISM Band Transceiver 865MHz/915Mhz for wireless audio and timecode
- Deliver audio stream to multiple devices
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802.11b Transceiver
- Receive and deliver timecode and metadata to multiple devices
- Able to connect up to 14 devices
- Supported FPS modes: 23.98, 24, 25, 29.97, 30, 29.97DF, 30DF.
- Output sync modes: PAL, NTSC, 720p, 720p double frame, 1080i, 1080p, 1080i double frame, 1080p double frame
- V Sync and H Sync Output to Camera
- Timecode Output to Camera
- Timecode output to audio recorder
- 2 channel guide audio input for RF datalink distribution to camera(s) and other devices
- Interface to iPad, iPhone & iTouch apps
Physical Interfaces
- External Power
- Timecode input
- Timecode output
- Output Video Sync
- 48Khz 16bit audio input
- Internal Power: 2 x ‘AA’ batteries
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?85218-The-Meizler-Module-The-Details
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RF ISM Band Transceiver 865MHz/915Mhz for wireless audio and timecode
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I don't see the danger in having a mirror all function. I think it would be nice to have the unit set to auto mirror whatever I record. It's not currently how i work, but there are jobs where it'd be nice.
I also think it would be great to have a file automatically re mirror if i change meta data. Currently when doing feature work, i enter a lot of the meta data after the take, so i end up mirroring whole scenes after the scene is done, but would love to not have to think about whether or not a file was updated, and spend more time thinking about my mics and listening to the planes that never leave us alone in seattle.
Wandering Ear
+1
I want to set the mirroring at the beginning of a project and forget it
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A man's got to know his limitations...
Yeah, I ordered a new card immediately. I was so happy I finally got to use the ext mic jack on the back but that poor little card couldn't handle all that info :/
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Tries to record an interview on a Zoom H4n in 4 channel mode on an SD card that's only class 4 and ends up with tons of write errors.
...That was me today
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A couple of suggestions:
1) lavs will eliminate much of the room acoustics, which could be good or bad, depending on the degree of realism you're looking for. I've used Tram TR-50's, Oscar Sound Tech 801's, Countryman B6's, and they're all decent performers.
2) wireless transmitters and receivers are generally expected in this kind of situation, so choice of preamp is not going to be a factor. The people I typically deal with in docos are not accustomed to hard wires for lavs (but it was done in years past).
3) if you choose to go with a boom, the usual suspects are Sennheiser MKH416, MKH50, MKH40's, Schoeps 641... tons of great choices out there. Do a search on this site and you'll find them. Used microphones are plentiful if you haunt eBay. You already know that different pickup patterns will react very differently to different environments.
4) your experience as a studio mixer may come in handy if the production needs you to reduce HVAC noise or other location-related problems in post. iZotope RX can be a miracle worker.
5) bring along sound blankets and ask the grip crew for some C-stands, and see if the sound blankets can tame flutter echo and other room problems.
Be warned that neither the Apogee Duet nor the Zoom is ideal for interviews, in my opinion. I think a purpose-built location sound recorder like the Sound Devices or even the relatively-inexpensive Fostexes are higher quality and more portable and will suit documentaries much better.
Thanks for pointing out iZotope, I've been looking for something like this for a while. I'll definitely be giving it a try tonight.
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Thank you sjohns37 for providing useful assistance. Senator... well, you know, knock it off. One suggestion, Senator, would be to think twice about posting some short fairly useless comment or reply. I know you don't want to do someone else's homework but I would suggest that it is totally unnecessary to remind everyone of your unwillingness to do a little homework of your own and help someone out.
Thanks, now I remember why I love this forum
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I'm presently working on a compilation of useful information on rigging lav mikes that might be used in the (slowly developing) resource page of this site. It's still a work in progress but I do have a list of the threads that deal with attaching mikes, hiding mikes and the accessories and devices used for that purpose. It's a lengthy list (this is a common topic of interest) but you'll find useful material in each of these discussions:
Lav on Baseball Cap
LAV’ing a Holy Father
Radiomics on Pregnant Ladies
"Dark Art" (Hiding lavaliers) etiquette question
Lav mic placement advice
http://jwsoundgroup.net/index.php?/topic/8207-lav-mic-placement-advice/page__hl__hide__fromsearch__1
"actual combat" audio
Noisy Shirt !
Hiding mics in Tuxedos
Not happy with the micbra that I got from the ramps party.
Lav in flight suit
MIC LAV BRA
Avoiding the lavalier of getting wet
Lav-Bullet MM400 Adapter
New toys from K-Tek
http://jwsoundgroup.net/index.php?/topic/9133-new-toys-from-k-tek/page__hl__lavalier__fromsearch__1
Rode Vampire clip
Back to School with Rich Topham Jr.
Laving down tight pants
Introducing the Lav-Rod
hairy chests and when lavaliers are required
Medical Shows: the Deadly Stethoscope
Hiding in plain sight...
A little silk tie help, please.
Introducing the Lav-Bullet
Lav It Up! Effectively Mic Up Your Talent by Bryant Falk
Bra Microphone Etiquette
Clothing noise a real issue when concealing mics
Rode Vampire clip
http://jwsoundgroup.net/index.php?/topic/8198-rode-vampire-clip/
Would you please stay on!!!
http://jwsoundgroup.net/index.php?/topic/480-would-you-please-stay-on/
Hiding lav Mics during a actual surgery
http://jwsoundgroup.net/index.php?/topic/9307-hiding-lav-mics-during-a-actual-surgery/
Miking talent on a motorcycle
http://jwsoundgroup.net/index.php?/topic/3144-miking-talent-on-a-motorcycle/
thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou
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I'm doing this on my phone on downtime at work. Search options are narrowing down the forum and changing the way results are listed
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Here is the first thread for those interested:
And one from 2010 with about 4 replies:
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So I searched for "securing lavs", "quiet lavs", "noisey lavs" all to no avail. Finally i looked up hiding lavs which wasnt even what I asked about and what comes up? A thread with people saying the topic has already been discussed! Jesus, if you feel the need to tell people its been discussed just link to the thread it was discussed in or dont't post at all!
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I like the idea of an expert "pro tip" topic. While we're talking about clothes rustle and lavs, how about a few lav securing techniques that eliminate that rustle? Lots of top stick? It all depends on the situation but any favorites/old faithfuls?
USB Audio Interface
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I had not but I'll keep that in mind for V2!
Here is what the current build looks like:
This is the 4RU Rack SKB case with the:
-Lectrosonics 411 rack (no 411s in at the moment as I'm using them for another job)
-Behringer MX882 8-Channel Splitter/Mixer
-2RU drawer
The MX882 was an extremely cheap way to get this feature although it is line-level only and has no monitoring built-in. Right now I'm using my old MBOX2 Mini to take the Mono mix feed into the PC but eventually I'll probably switch to something nicer. This is more of a proof of concept than a final build. Thanks to everyone for all the help!