Ty Ford

Hahaha, a great thread! 😀 When I first heard the 8050, I stopped because it was more "sizzle and boom" (LF and HF) than I wanted. Maybe the response of the 8060 is different. Spekter, when you compare the 416 to the NT1A, are you doing real work or just listening for selfnoise? When doing real work, if the self noise is a problem, then move on, but don't sell your MKH416. You may come running back to it.

I've been thinking about this recently and......I think if we continue to hold onto this thought that "sound gets no respect" that it will only continue the problem. I have a soundie friend. We were talking about a local producer. He had NOTHING good to say about him, especially how he acts with him, e.g. - No Respect. I've worked for this producer and have never had a problem. So, the question is, WTF? Is it something I do or don't do? Is it something my soundie friend does or doesn't do? I don't know, but I'd like to open this up and see if we can come up with answers. It's probably two-sided. Something we're doing or saying, they way we react, and also something they are doing and saying to which those of us who perceive this problem respond. Can others chime in here? What are your experiences? What do you do if you find yourself in a bad situation with a producer, lighting person or whatever? I've done local, mostly small budget work, spots, non-broadcast and small budget narratives. No major union work. I am hired by people I know and by people I don't know. I'm not sure that has anything to do with it. Procedurally, I let the producer tell me what he/she is going after and how they would like me to proceed. If I hear something in a take that's a problem, how do I relate it to the producer? Do I say something to them, is it a look or maybe just a head shake from me that says, "no?" If it's questionable, and I'm the only one hearing the sound, I'll ask the producer to listen to the take. This gets me out trouble if someone later has a problem with the sound. If the producer says, "no, that's ok. I don't want to hear the take." I tell them that they really need to because I don't want to run into problems later. Again, most of my work is non-union so after I get set, I'll ask if anyone else needs help. Typically they don't, sometimes they do, but just asking sends a message of willingness and teamwork. Is this a problem for everyone? What do you think we can do to solve this problem?

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Hmmm, a lav's placement can noticeably effect the sound, even on the same person. In some cases, wouldn't you be trying to improve the sound from a particular scene so that it matches "better sound" from a previous scene, or maybe the next scene? As in, not using a lav in a scene even though one was used because it definitely doesn't match the boom used before or after? Regards, Ty Ford

I suggest a change of medications? Regards, Ty Ford

They were working on this just before IBC. I don't know where they ended up. Regards Ty Ford

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I own some. I am sent some for review. I am lent some when it comes to making comparisons. Yes, having them in your own hands (in the flesh) is a wonderful thing. If you can get a good reputation with a retailer, they will sometimes send you a mic to compare. I mostly deal with manufacturers and distributors. If you're in NYC, B&H has a microphone room in their Manhattan store. It's a very dangerous place.

Jan McLaughlin has a good trick.

Yes, I have tested the Octava/Oktava, Audix and AT. Both of the latter are good. Not as good as a Schoeps, but better than the Octava/Oktava. You really need to hear them, including the Schoeps and DPA. Although they all look more or less alike, they don't sound alike. If you can't tell the difference, then, fine. If you can tell the difference......

Well put, Phil. Cambob, what have you been using all this time to have an Oktava/Octava be your "first real mic" and what are you shooting on? The fact that B&H doesn't even carry Oktava/Octava mics should be a good warning. They do carry the Audix SCX-1HC https://bhpho.to/2QOINcs which is a step above the Oktava, as is the AT 4053b. https://bhpho.to/2xFajjP A lot has to do with how well your ears and brain process sound. People who do sound for a living (and are still doing it) usually hear differently than those who don't. There is a learning curve, but some begin higher on it than others. Still others never get there. Regards, Ty

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With the screen name "cambob3000" I guess you're a shooter? If you are a student as your profile indicates, and this is your first mic, what's your day rate? I ask because there's been a lot of talk about slipping day rates and undercutting in LA. As important as your first mic is to you, at least as important is how you fit into your market. Do you have professionals you can learn from? Regards, Ty Ford

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I didn't like the 8050, too much sizzle and boom (highs and lows), not enough mids, but then I like the Schoeps sound, or DPA 4017, 4018. https://tyfordaudiovideo.blogspot.com/2015/09/dpa-boom-mics-4017-and-4018-with-mmp-b.html