Constantin Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 I think this bug debepends on the camera as I never had this on mine. Pat Bendybones bug? Don't think it's a bug. Sounds more like user error Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendybones Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Yeah i guess because I had fed mic preamps from line level sources before, I thought you could always do this - that the preamp on mic level input would not only provide gain but attenuation too - ie allowing to turn down the line level feed. Guess that is not always the case! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Sending line level out to line level in and mic level out to mic level in is always the best way to go. It's called gain staging. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toy Robot Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 For all the errors these cams used to have, I haven't had problems getting sound into an Epic/Scarlet since their firmware revisions ages ago. I don't even worry about these cameras anymore when running sound to them. Fans are still loud, but even then the firmware updates have helped with that. Unless the camera is on very old firmware, it shouldn't be an issue working with them in my experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendybones Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Sending line level out to line level in and mic level out to mic level in is always the best way to go. It's called gain staging. Eric When one has a mic level out, or when one has the time on these 'run and gun' shoots to source another solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 (edited) " When one has a mic level out, or when one has the time on these 'run and gun' shoots to source another solution. " having the tools is part of the job... solving the problems is the job. this is how you earn your rate... Edited November 12, 2013 by studiomprd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 When one has a mic level out, or when one has the time on these 'run and gun' shoots to source another solution. If your mixer does not have a switchable mic level out then you should carry a couple of 40db plugin barrel pads. Sorry to say this but you're selling yourself as a pro, you should be prepared for those situations instead of making excuses. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendybones Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 I agree with the solution. However, with a 30lb overflowing mixer bag, and having been assured that we were not putting audio or timecode on camera, one has to draw the line somewhere. I cannot bring the kitchen sink while OMBing. Small as those barrels are, there is a limit. (and I am familiar with the term gain staging, but thanks). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 bendy, What mixer are you using? Thirty pounds sounds like you DO have the kitchen sink in the bag. <g> Or, do you carry your gold bars with you to keep them safe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 I agree with the solution. However, with a 30lb overflowing mixer bag, and having been assured that we were not putting audio or timecode on camera, one has to draw the line somewhere. I cannot bring the kitchen sink while OMBing. Small as those barrels are, there is a limit. (and I am familiar with the term gain staging, but thanks). They assured you and you believed them. I bet that's a mistake you'll never make again. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendybones Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 They assured you and you believed them. I bet that's a mistake you'll never make again. Eric Precisely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Steigerwald Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Even with the box, you have to use the non-standard 1/8" balanced connectors on the front of the camera for channels 1&2, and with the adapter, you get XLR in for 3&4 only. And you can't reassign or swap the latter for the former. Just in the interest of information flow: I had a shoot with 2 Epics, both having the box attached. On one, the 'box inputs' indeed only fed channels 3&4. The DIT said it was common practice for them to remap it during transfer. The other camera mapped the box inputs to channels 1&2 internally. Apparently at some firmware version, this is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 On one, the 'box inputs' indeed only fed channels 3&4. The DIT said it was common practice for them to remap it during transfer. Yes, it is possible to pull in inputs 3 & 4 to record channels 1 & 2. But it's kinda stupid that it has to be done that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Wang Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 just done another two months movie with three epic everyday, still use ERX2TCD and a Y cable, tc fine, and audio cable side go into Epic is Unbalanced this time,worked out fine too. Probably it just doesn't take balanced cable. the biggest issue this time was : the GP I/O control signal is also located on the same connector that tc connector, the steadicam op wasn't happy to do it manually and the rental house didn't provide any pro I/O for the cameras, we lost two days of TC for A cam because the op un-plug the tc cable, then editor showed up on site brought this up to the producer,went a bit ugly but we got the connector for TC at the end. Another RED design thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinetj Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 just tested with two epic today: i made a Y cable for erx1tcd, bnc side is tip and groud, audio feed side to camera is on tip and ground which connected to erx's side on ring and ground . the tc is locked very nicely,output 0.5v, it follows every time i changed anything from deva,( it doesn't work very well when i used it to a red one camera back to years ago,haven't worked with red one for a long time ) the audio doesn't want to run into the camera from my Y cable ,bal or unbal. no idea why.(input & output is ON) then tried a bal 3.5mm cable still not working.The camera dept provided a xlr input adaptor cable,it works. So i guess is my wiring got bit wrong. anyway the DOP doesn't want to any audio run into the epic,he believes this will cause issues to the camera,so i only provide tc to camera. And feed audio to the pix240 which is next to the camera. TC through SDI from epic to pix240 I have a similar setup with an erxtcd. I already got a premade split cable that goes bnc for timecode, xlr for audio feed. I want to make a xlr - mini-jack adaptor to feed the Scarlet (we dont have an A-BOX). What would be the proper wiring? Anyone solved this one? Just in case, I'll prepare some mini-jack > mini-jack plugs just for audio feed. According to previous comments on this thread, the correct thing would be to use a mono mini-jack (TS), tip +, sleeve ground, right? This should work wuth the ERXtcd or one of my g3's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Wang Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 my ERX cable for epic is : 3.5mm( one erx side) TIP to BNC, sleeve to sleeve ( then BNC to lemo 4pin) RING to another 3.5mm's TIP, sleeve to sleeve(which goes into Epic), UNBALANCED audio on Epic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinetj Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 Hi, Wang Got exactly the same config on my pre-made cable. The only difference is that instead of a 3,5 mm plug, I've got a xlr unbalanced. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audioexpert34 Posted March 3, 2019 Report Share Posted March 3, 2019 On 1/26/2012 at 7:44 PM, Loopless said: I have heard that it is next to impossible to get sound onto a Red Epic. What is the deal with that? Has anyone succeeded? If so, then how did you do it? I would like to attach a Lectrosonics IFB to the camera, seta level, and walk away. Is that possible ? ? Somebody suggested that I try this adapter: http://actionproducts.ch/shop/product_info.php?products_id=157 Action Products Epic Audio Adapter Hey all you need is an A-box wooden camera sells ones that hook up to red using one of the Lima connections. There’s tons of products to put on your red I’m not a hundred percent sure if you need another attachement to hook the abox into but all the abox is two female xlr inputs attached to a little Lima type cable from there once your lectro is hooked up just use the touch screen on the red to adjust levels pretty straight forward I. Finding the audio menu start wth the setting and you will find audio and all the other adjustments. I’ve worked with just about every red camera version that has come out to date and know my way around it in regards to audio. Hope that helped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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