Mike Wally Posted May 3, 2012 Report Posted May 3, 2012 Hey guys, Been having an awesome experience with my Nomad so far...but the time has come for me to do a 3-camera ENG shoot. I will be mixing into 3 Cameras (each with 2 XLR inputs) Follow my logic for setting this up and please tell me if you would do anything different or have any insight/experience/advice. I have 4 direct outputs. That's 2 breakaway cables, one to Camera A, and one to Camera B. I can monitor the return on 1/2, and 3/4 with the 5-pin adapter cables I have. For camera 3, I would get the cable that goes 5-pin to XLR "Y" cable. Then use a typical breakaway cable to go to Camera C. I don't see anything on the nomad that would allow me to monitor the return on 5/6. Would it make more sense to use the tape-out for the 3rd camera so that I could monitor it that way? Is there anything special I need to do in the Nomad's settings for like output settings? I will be running a Boom and 2 lavs, possibly a 3rd if needed. I would want each camera to have the Boom track isolated, so I would set: Input 1 (L), And then Input 2, 3, 4 ®...which would make each camera receive the boom on track 1, and lavs mixed onto track 2. Does that make sense?
ncsoundmixer Posted May 3, 2012 Report Posted May 3, 2012 Route cam 3 return audio to an unused XLR input. In the output and card mix routing matrices make sure this input is deselected so it is not output or recorded. Now select this input in the headphone monitoring matrix. Voilà, you have can 3 return audio. Feel the Nomad love!
Mike Wally Posted May 3, 2012 Author Report Posted May 3, 2012 Route cam 3 return audio to an unused XLR input. In the output and card mix routing matrices make sure this input is deselected so it is not output or recorded. Now select this input in the headphone monitoring matrix. Voilà, you have can 3 return audio. Feel the Nomad love! What would you use cable wise? The return from a breakaway is typically an 1/8 inch aux cable, do I then convert that to a male XLR? Is that possible to do?
Wandering Ear Posted May 3, 2012 Report Posted May 3, 2012 Also the Nomad has 6 outputs, 5&6 are on a ta5 connector, so you could have custom routing for each camera if you want. As suggested, using your unused inputs 5&6 for return monitoring would be my preference, or you could monitor b&c cameras in mono to return 3&4. Wandering Ear
ncsoundmixer Posted May 3, 2012 Report Posted May 3, 2012 Adapt the 1/8" return plug into XLR. 1/8" to RCA or 1/4" then into an XLR female RCA or 1/4". U can get the adapters at Radio Shack or better yet get Trew Audio's kitchen sink adapter kit for a buck fifty or so.
Mike Wally Posted May 3, 2012 Author Report Posted May 3, 2012 Also the Nomad has 6 outputs, 5&6 are on a ta5 connector, so you could have custom routing for each camera if you want. As suggested, using your unused inputs 5&6 for return monitoring would be my preference, or you could monitor b&c cameras in mono to return 3&4. Wandering Ear Yea, i was planning on using the ta5 for Camera C. Using inputs 5/6 seems to be the smart move here for monitoring. Adapt the 1/8" return plug into XLR. 1/8" to RCA or 1/4" then into an XLR female RCA or 1/4". U can get the adapters at Radio Shack or better yet get Trew Audio's kitchen sink adapter kit for a buck fifty or so. I'm sure pro-sound can hook me up. thank you for the recommendation!
RadoStefanov Posted May 3, 2012 Report Posted May 3, 2012 The easiest way is to send 3 Zaxcom hop to QRX100 and monitor the return trough Zaxnet. Nomad can receive up to 6 IFB returns DOwnside: I can only imagine what 3 zaxcom TX in your bag will do to your talent RXs.
Jack Norflus Posted May 3, 2012 Report Posted May 3, 2012 You have four return inputs on two ta5s. So you can monitor two of the cameras in mono and one in two channel "stereo". You just need the appropriate adaptor cable.
jason porter Posted May 3, 2012 Report Posted May 3, 2012 Or 1 tx with 3 matching receivers The easiest way is to send 3 Zaxcom hop to QRX100 and monitor the return trough Zaxnet. Nomad can receive up to 6 IFB returns DOwnside: I can only imagine what 3 zaxcom TX in your bag will do to your talent RXs.
RadoStefanov Posted May 3, 2012 Report Posted May 3, 2012 Or 1 tx with 3 matching receivers It makes no sense doing that. However I have been asked to do it.
Mike Wally Posted May 3, 2012 Author Report Posted May 3, 2012 You have four return inputs on two ta5s. So you can monitor two of the cameras in mono and one in two channel "stereo". You just need the appropriate adaptor cable. I think i might do that. I'm ok with having B/C be mono. I just want to be able to easily toggle between each camera to check to make sure audio is good, but mostly i'd just monitor Camera A i think... thank you everyone for the suggestions
Wandering Ear Posted May 3, 2012 Report Posted May 3, 2012 It makes no sense doing that. However I have been asked to do it. It makes sense if the audio is being used to sync the cameras to each other and they plan on using the camera mix. Although it'd be cheaper for production to have scratch track on the other two cameras instead of full quality recievers. Wandering Ear
jason porter Posted May 3, 2012 Report Posted May 3, 2012 or one ERXTCD receiver on each camera! (Mono feed plus TC) It makes no sense doing that. However I have been asked to do it.
Jack Norflus Posted May 3, 2012 Report Posted May 3, 2012 It makes no sense doing that. However I have been asked to do our. Why doesn't it make sense? I've sent audio to 4 cameras using 4 redundant receivers. There is a whole lot less RF flying around.
RadoStefanov Posted May 3, 2012 Report Posted May 3, 2012 It makes sense if the audio is being used to sync the cameras to each other and they plan on using the camera mix. Although it'd be cheaper for production to have scratch track on the other two cameras instead of full quality recievers. Wandering Ear IFB scratch just as good for sync and cheaper then 3 Hops. But If they are willing to pay for 3 hops what do I care...
RadoStefanov Posted May 3, 2012 Report Posted May 3, 2012 or one ERXTCD receiver on each camera! (Mono feed plus TC) exactly.
jason porter Posted May 3, 2012 Report Posted May 3, 2012 Did you not say- The easiest way is to send 3 Zaxcom hop to QRX100 and monitor the return trough Zaxnet. I guess you meant 'ERXTCD'
RadoStefanov Posted May 3, 2012 Report Posted May 3, 2012 With the QRX100 you can have 6-12 isos going to 3 cameras.. If you are sending TC no need for isos on cameras. Did you not say- I guess you meant 'ERXTCD'
Wandering Ear Posted May 3, 2012 Report Posted May 3, 2012 IFB scratch just as good for sync and cheaper then 3 Hops. But If they are willing to pay for 3 hops what do I care... Exactly! Wandering Ear
Mike Wally Posted May 3, 2012 Author Report Posted May 3, 2012 Er, I wasn't really counting on doing sync. I think they just want the audio mixed into the cameras, at least that's what i've always done when working on TV type shoots. For film, I'd totally use an IFB system to send scratch audio, though .
jason porter Posted May 3, 2012 Report Posted May 3, 2012 Ah, now I hear ya! Sending ISO's, not a mix. With the QRX100 you can have 6-12 isos going to 3 cameras.. If you are sending TC no need for isos on cameras.
Ed Denton Posted May 4, 2012 Report Posted May 4, 2012 It makes no sense doing that. However I have been asked to do it. It makes complete sense to do this doesn't it? If you are sending the same mix to every camera as Mike said he was in the OP. (boom - L, wireless mix - R). Way less transmitter rf coming from the bag, less battery draw, less transmitters to fail/intermodulate, not to mention if you're hiring - less $. If the tx goes down you're recording on the nomad anyway. Can't imagine why you would run three separate TXs Rado?
RadoStefanov Posted May 4, 2012 Report Posted May 4, 2012 I do it for ISO channels. I try not to waist a camera track for mix especially when you mix boom and bunch of lavs together. So I rather spread ISO to 2 or more cameras then use mix. Sent from my HD7 T9292 using Board Express
RadoStefanov Posted May 4, 2012 Report Posted May 4, 2012 I have no problems with Tx in a bag because I use lectrosonics. :-) and always coordinate.Sent from my HD7 T9292 using Board Express
Rob Lewis Posted May 4, 2012 Report Posted May 4, 2012 Spoiled by stereo returns these days, I mixed to Sony Beta's, Ikegami's Betas for years with a mono return. No Biggie.
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