Mirror Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 That's a rather broad generalization, and I sure hope it wasn't pointed in my direction. I've never owned a g3 system, and my 332 is part of my talkback/private line setup. It wasn't pointed at you Micheal, sorry if I misled you. It was in reference to the link I posted that talked about all that a guy has to do to become a physician and how in debt he is after schooling. I compared that to the bare minimum that we have to go through to be a mixer. No hard feelings I hope, it was not my intent. My apologizes if so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael P Clark Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 " " - my attempt at humor. I sometimes feel like I should be paid like a doctor with all the schooling choices I made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Anderson Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 The Emancipation Proclamation - Not a program but an Executive order. By the way, did you know that Lincoln's plan for the slaves after the war was to ship them all off to Granada and let them start their own country? Leading up to the Proclamation, it is true that Lincoln entertained that idea. But at the time of the Proclamation and afterwards, he no longer thought of that as an acceptable solution. It was an executive order. But with it came the enlistment of Black Americans within the Union ranks. I'm not sure where you begin to draw the line between a program that is born out of legislation or one that is by executive order. But you asked for one example. You've been given at least 10 in this discussion. You've been given a few comprehensive outlines of ACA. I understand the fear you have over how unions (if you are in a union) will deal with the possible affect of the ACA taking the obligation of providing healthcare off of the backs of businesses (and perhaps unions). I would hope that the US would take up a single payer system where a pool of 300+ million subscribers could really do wonders for keeping the cost of health care down. But the quasi-free market system we previously had was not working. It wasn't fully free market and to paraphrase a quote I heard on the radio last night: you can't have a free market system for a resource that you can't voluntarily turn down (You can delay buying a cellphone until the market drives the prices down, but you can't delay chemotherapy). The ACA is a series of reforms (it doesn't replace and the Supreme Court did not rewrite the law in any way but merely ruled it to be within the powers of Congress to enact such a law). It is up to us to push to make the system work for us. Now we have some minimal protections to get everyone (or at least a lot more people) into the system and to provide better services for us as subscribers. But the work isn't done. There just isn't any reason to go backwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirror Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 C'mon Mirror, NASA? They spent 50 years doing the testing and research. Of course private industry can come in at this point and do the basics for less. Speaking of NASA, what planet do you live on anyway? It seems to be full of mean selfish people who do not understand the concept of government, insurance or a little something called 'the common good'. Man, I'm never going to get to pack my car for vacation at this rate. OK, you are right in that NASA did put in a lot of the leg work for the private space entrepreneurs. Sometimes governments are the only ones that have deep enough pockets to get get this stuff done. But now that it is done, do we still need NASA? I really like programs like Google Lunar X PRIZE ,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Lunar_X_Prize I'm not mean or selfish. Do you think I want people to suffer and have poor health? I've never said "let them eat cake". This program sounds like an unsustainable financial mess. I hope I'm wrong. I believe government is too invasive and tends to muck things up rather than fix them. I feel the root of the health care problem has not been exposed and addressed. I don't believe government should be a huge safety net. I believe that the things that the gov. does in the name of fixing social problems actually make them worse. And I don't believe you know how money and the economy works. I'm not mean, I'm realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrd456 Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 Damn, we shouldn't have to have auto insurance either,It's socialism------YIKES I don't want to pay for security insurance either-----NO More military! No more government----Yea Anarchism ! J.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirror Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 Leading up to the Proclamation, it is true that Lincoln entertained that idea. But at the time of the Proclamation and afterwards, he no longer thought of that as an acceptable solution. It was an executive order. But with it came the enlistment of Black Americans within the Union ranks. I'm not sure where you begin to draw the line between a program that is born out of legislation or one that is by executive order. But you asked for one example. You've been given at least 10 in this discussion. You've been given a few comprehensive outlines of ACA. I understand the fear you have over how unions (if you are in a union) will deal with the possible affect of the ACA taking the obligation of providing healthcare off of the backs of businesses (and perhaps unions). I would hope that the US would take up a single payer system where a pool of 300+ million subscribers could really do wonders for keeping the cost of health care down. But the quasi-free market system we previously had was not working. It wasn't fully free market and to paraphrase a quote I heard on the radio last night: you can't have a free market system for a resource that you can't voluntarily turn down (You can delay buying a cellphone until the market drives the prices down, but you can't delay chemotherapy). The ACA is a series of reforms (it doesn't replace and the Supreme Court did not rewrite the law in any way but merely ruled it to be within the powers of Congress to enact such a law). It is up to us to push to make the system work for us. Now we have some minimal protections to get everyone (or at least a lot more people) into the system and to provide better services for us as subscribers. But the work isn't done. There just isn't any reason to go backwards. I like your post. I do take exception that though a few government programs have been named all could be run better by a private co. NASA, as bigmo pointed out did do what private enterprise couldn't at the inception of the space program because of money. The military could be RUN better by private co.'s but isn't a good idea as the military needs to be loyal to the government, not to mention the amount of $ money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirror Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 Damn, we shouldn't have to have auto insurance either,It's socialism------YIKES I don't want to pay for security insurance either-----NO More military! No more government----Yea Anarchism ! J.D. My point is that I don't think you are going to have the best of both worlds with this government mandate. Heath care will most likely sink to the lowest common denominator which will be socialized medicine. I don't see why the Producers will provide a heath care program if the government will give it to you for a nominal penalty. It will be a lot less expensive then what they pay for our insurance and a lot shittier. They are not stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrd456 Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 Damn,I'm forced to buy auto insurance------Socialism ! I'm also forced to pay for [Taxed] for security insurance---Get rid of the U.S. Military Anarchy-----Yea ! J.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirror Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 Damn,I'm forced to buy auto insurance------Socialism ! I'm also forced to pay for [Taxed] for security insurance---Get rid of the U.S. Military Anarchy-----Yea ! J.D. An Alzheimer moment I'm sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfisk Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 It should be noted that doctors and surgeons do make pretty good money, but they come out of medical school already hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt, and have malpractice insurance that costs as much as, if not more than, their annual salary. My father works in cardiac surgery, and he's seen several docs retire early because they couldn't afford the malpractice insurance. It's all relative. Yes, they make good money, but the cost of being in that position is MUCH higher than any other field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmahaAudio Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 The California version of the EPA contacted the owner and said that when he was milling the aluminum it released a toxin... The company moved to Indiana. So instead of finding a solution to the problem they're releasing toxins in Indiana. Has that solved anything or is it just another "race to the bottom"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmahaAudio Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 ...are you saying that the Armed Forces are run efficiently? Are you attacking the men and women serving in our armed forces? Sounds like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmahaAudio Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 Don't you think Tort reform would lower medical costs? It hasn't in any state that's instituted what you refer to as tort "reforms" but don't let the facts get in the way of your rhetoric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmahaAudio Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 Please enlighten us on the REAL problem as to why Greece is failing. One big reason is a societal acceptance of income (and other) tax evasion dating back to the days when Greece was a part of the Ottoman Empire and withholding taxes from a foreign occupier was considered to be a patriotic act. Another would be the fact that Greece lied about its ability to reach and maintain a public deficit of less than three percent of GDP when it was accepted into the Eurozone in 2000 as this meant that the country could borrow money at Germany's rates without having Germany's economy. They severely cooked the books to hide public debt and subsidies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmahaAudio Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 The same could be said about you and your stance for your leftist positions. Perhaps, but having said that about him you'd be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmaho Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 My point is that I don't think you are going to have the best of both worlds with this government mandate. Heath care will most likely sink to the lowest common denominator which will be socialized medicine. I don't see why the Producers will provide a heath care program if the government will give it to you for a nominal penalty. It will be a lot less expensive then what they pay for our insurance and a lot shittier. They are not stupid. Mirror, the government "will not give you health care for a nominal penalty". You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the program. It is NOT (that's not as in not) a government health plan. Health insurance will still be provided by private industry as it is today. You pay a penalty if you can afford health insurance but choose not to buy it. The reason for that is because younger healthier people might say 'I'm in great shape, why buy insurance'. Well, it's like car insurance, you're in great shape until you are not and then when you are sick everyone else has to pay. Ever notice the part of your auto insurance bill for 'uninsured motorist coverage'? That's the part where everyone pays for the deadbeats who drive around without insurance. And private industry in many cases provides or chips in for medical insurance as part of their contract with their workers. It's all part of the pay package that includes medical, retirement, IRA contributions, etc. Dropping any part of the package is the same as reducing wages. It does not go over too well with the workforce. Have a great vacation and don't post while driving. Best, Billy Sarokin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmahaAudio Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 From the stories I've been told by people that live in socialized medicine countries, popping in to be quickly seen at a Dr's. office is as rare as hens teeth. Stories of 3 month waits. Stories? I have relatives and friends that live in the UK and France and they, in general, really like their health care systems. I was covered by Britian's NHS when I lived there in the 70's and received excellent care. Both of my parents lived in Britain for many more years and both received excellent health care from the NHS. My daughter lived and worked in London for seven months after graduation from college and received excellent health care from the NHS. I don't have "stories" from some BS right wing blogs Mr. Mirror, I have experience of these systems and people that I know and love have had experience with these systems and they work very well indeed. A telling tale from covering Rick Santorum on the campaign trail was his admission that he though it would be dangerous for the US to adopt a single-payer health care system because, and this is nearly a direct quote, the American people would get comfortable with it and grow to like it so much that you could never get rid of it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmahaAudio Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 Man, I'm never going to get to pack my car for vacation at this rate. Make sure you don't use the Interstate System 'cause that's just another one of those Government Programs that you hate so much. you are right in that NASA did put in a lot of the leg work for the private space entrepreneurs They did ALL of the leg work. Aside from everything else the vast majority of the scientists and engineers working with these private spaceship companies come from NASA. I've never said "let them eat cake". How are they going to eat cake if they can't afford to see a dentist, their teeth fall out and they can't pay for dentures? I believe that the things that the gov. does in the name of fixing social problems actually make them worse. So that whole "abolishing slavery" thing never did it for you? Let the old people die instead of introducing Social Security? Standard Oil was right and monopolies are the way to go? You want to get rid of the FDIC and say, "screw you" to the depositors of a failing banks? I'm not mean, I'm realistic. You're not being realistic at all so you must pretty much just be t mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olle Sjostrom Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 I can't get it into my thick skull how paying taxes and contributing to everyone's working ability (cus in the end, that's what it's all about; staying in shape so you can run the mill to bring in the cash for the boss) is BAD for a country's economy!? I mean what the hell is a poor person supposed to do if he/she can't work because of an injury? He/she can't go to the doctors cus it's too costly, and therefore is just shut out of the economical system? How's that good for anyone? And emotions ARE important to business. Because emotions decide what we do and our decisions affects everyone around that decision. So our health IS important to the economy. Lookit, every person could be the next best seller, actress, Nobel prize winner, innovator, guru whatever, the point is everyone deserves to be treated equally. And that's just plain humane thinking, not socialism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 The Space program - private enterprise just showed they could do it cheaper At the moment there is no private corporation that does space work for the US government. USA is paying the government of Russia for space access. Also if private corporation are dealing with space technology they have the right to sale it to whoever they want. Even Iran. Not smart IMHO... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Steigerwald Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 Are you a sound guy because you love it? Yes, actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Steigerwald Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 At the moment there is no private corporation that does space work for the US government. SpaceX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 When is the next SpaceX flight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Steigerwald Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 When is the next SpaceX flight? SpaceX Launch Manifest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 SpaceX Launch Manifest Cool. wow. Why are we still paying the Ruskis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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