jacquesstar Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 Okay, so I finally bought a Denecke smart slate. The instructions and diagram on the back are decent, but, I need some help please. Camera is a Canon C300, 23.98 frame rate, jamming slate and TASCAM HD-P2 recorder to camera. Bottom switch is on generate, which I understand jams to an external source if you plug it into TC out while the unit is off, and then you power it back on, so that you can keep the slate jammed once you disconnect it, correct? Frame rate, I couldn't find a way to set for 23.98, so I had the rotary dial set to position 3, which is 24fps but then I set it to position 5, which says "auto" and it worked, jammed to the camera just fine. Will this auto setting automatically set the frame rate? Thanks for your help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Popp Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 Yes auto will work, however, which version of the slate do you own? Usually position "4" is 23.976 fps... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 Jacques, You may already know this but there is no such thing as 23 fps or 23.98 fps. They are both shorthand ways of saying 23.976 fps. Many people will say they're shooting at 24 fps when what they are actually running at is 23.976, so watch out for that. Most "24 frame" video is really shot at 23.976, but there are sometimes projects shot at a real 24 fps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Wexler Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 Yes auto will work, however, which version of the slate do you own? Usually position "4" is 23.976 fps... Position 4 is what I have always used for 23.976 (23.98) setting on Denecke slate. I have been advised to NOT use Auto setting, particularly when jamming from a Deva. There is a little compatibility problem between the Deva's TC output and the reporting feature of the Denecke slate. You will often see an Error alert when jamming with 23.976 code. It is jammed properly and there is no error in terms of TC integrity or stability, just an error in the reporting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 ...and...you understand that the HDP2 will not hold accurate TC sync to the slate by itself? Of the 3 devices mentioned, only the TC slate will hold sync for any long length of time (unless the camera is an Alexa). The HDP2 is particularly inaccurate on its internal clock. The generally accepted way to make this setup work for a non-Alexa camera would be to put a Lockit on the camera (jammed to the slate) and a TC generator like SB2 or 3 also jammed to the slate on the HDP2. That setup will hold frame accurate sync for 8 hours or so. phil p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacquesstar Posted July 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 Okay, thanks for the advice. Yes, the Slate is a TS-C, and I have switched to position "4" even though it is 23.976. Thanks. I do not have a lockit box. I may buy one in the future, but this shoot starts tomorrow. My plan is to jam the slate to the Canon C300 camera, and jam the HD-P2 to the camera as well, and keep it connected to the TC out of the camera, so that It will stay jammed off the camera while we roll. These are mostly interviews with some b-roll, so they shouldn't last longer than one or two hours each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamTimmer Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Drifting along, oh yaa, drifting.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan H. Chang Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Go with Phil's advice about the lockits and SB2/3 boxes. Tell production to rent those if they can! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonG Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Go with Phil's advice about the lockits and SB2/3 boxes. Tell production to rent those if they can! Or save up and get a more reliable recorder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacquesstar Posted July 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 +1 wow… and a gig as a 3rd for a few years... Stacy, you mean gigs as an A2? I found out that the TASCAM has an inherent flaw in it's design, and will not jam to 23.976. It's a bug. I am going to call them about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 Stacy, you mean gigs as an A2? I found out that the TASCAM has an inherent flaw in it's design, and will not jam to 23.976. It's a bug. I am going to call them about it. When I occasionally use an HD-P2 as a backup recorder, I continuously jam it from my Deva at 23.976 and it works fine. It's all in getting the settings right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 When I occasionally use an HD-P2 as a backup recorder, I continuously jam it from my Deva at 23.976 and it works fine. It's all in getting the settings right. Yes, and the HDP2 has been a very reliable recorder for me, plastic shell and all. What it is not is accurate sync-wise without some external help. phil p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Parra Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 Hi everyone, Just to confirm what has already been mentioned, position #4 on the rotary dial is labled as "23". It is in fact 23.976fps TC. Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHall Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 Drifting along, oh yaa, drifting.. As soon as he said HD-P2, I thought "hoo boy, here we go". Lockits are cheap to rent and will keep your editor from throwing darts at your face. Not at pictures of your face, mind, but actually at your face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 Only slightly off-topic... I accidentally left both of my Denecke SB-2a boxes on last night after a long day's shoot, so this afternoon I decided to compare them since they were last jammed roughly 24 hours ago. They were about 1/20 of a frame apart. Denecke rules! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundslikejustin Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 Only slightly off-topic... I accidentally left both of my Denecke SB-2a boxes on last night after a long day's shoot, so this afternoon I decided to compare them since they were last jammed roughly 24 hours ago. They were about 1/20 of a frame apart. Denecke rules! Are these the ones you hand-tweaked (along with your nomad)? And how do you measure the drift (or in this case, lack of)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Rillie Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 You can measure drift according to the Denecke standard with a GR-1 or GR-2. Both very handy pieces of kit. Regards, Jim Rillie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 As Jim figured, I measured them via a GR-1. These two boxes were updated and calibrated by Denecke some time back and were still rock solid when I did my "hand-tweaking" recently, so I didn't adjust them or the GR-1. I did adjust the TS3 (it was still within specs, but just barely) and I also adjusted the Nomad and Deva V. I love having a good calibration tool. It makes the geek in me extremely happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundslikejustin Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 As Jim figured, I measured them via a GR-1. These two boxes were updated and calibrated by Denecke some time back and were still rock solid when I did my "hand-tweaking" recently, so I didn't adjust them or the GR-1. I did adjust the TS3 (it was still within specs, but just barely) and I also adjusted the Nomad and Deva V. I love having a good calibration tool. It makes the geek in me extremely happy. Thanks for that. I guess one benefit of the Ambient system is that the Clockit Controller can do the tuning and checking for you (if you werent brave enough to do it yourself - I know I'm not!) without sending it back to the manufacturer. Thanks John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L7NirvanaLove Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 I was just curious where i could find a manual to the denecke TS-3. I just recently bought one used but it didn't have the sticker on the back detailing all the frame rates and I wanted to know more. I think I seen an image of the sticker in one of these forums but I couldn't find it. I went to the denecke website but it only had the brochure not a manual. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Call them--they are very very very helpful. philp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomboom Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 have a double-check, it's on the website. Slate operation, covers all models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 I was just curious where i could find a manual to the denecke TS-3. I just recently bought one used but it didn't have the sticker on the back detailing all the frame rates and I wanted to know more. I think I seen an image of the sticker in one of these forums but I couldn't find it. Here's the quickie diagram I have glued to the backs of my Denecke TS-3 slates: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Mayer Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 http://www.denecke.com/Support/Documents/Slate Operating Instructions.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L7NirvanaLove Posted July 4, 2015 Report Share Posted July 4, 2015 Here's the quickie diagram I have glued to the backs of my Denecke TS-3 slates: Marc that is exactly what I was looking for, thanks for posting it again. http://www.denecke.com/Support/Documents/Slate Operating Instructions.pdf Thanks everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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