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Based on how badly I got burned by Lion when it came out (upgrading my iMac basically screwed up one of my production user accounts that had survived two previous OS X upgrades, and I still can't get excited about "Save a Version" and "Duplicate". At least put a preference checkbox for us Luddites that want to "Save" and "Save As". Sheesh.) I'm dubious about Mountain Lion.

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Well, I usually do NOT wait to update, but I never update all my computers either. With Mountain Lion I am going to wait a day or two. I had zero problems with Lion (did a lot of research before updating) but I was very displeased with the decades old routine regarding Save and Save As being abandoned. This is one of the most welcome "corrections" for me in Mountain Lion. We will again be able to work with Save and Save As, at least in some familiar form, as we have done for so many years prior to Lion.

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I always wait a few months, at least, before upgrading an operating system. I'd rather have other people discover the bugs...

+100

The pioneers get eaten by the bears.

I worked at Apple for a few OS launches. I had more than a few people come in upset because they upgraded their machines the first day it was available and their mission critical software wasn't yet compatible. It always seemed as if they didn't have a recent system backup and always had a looming deadline. It was really frustrating for us, because an erase and install was the only way to get them back up and running.

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I've been running this for about a week now.. It's probably the most stable release I've seen in recent years..

I'm glad Save/Save as is back.. Hold the option key when going in the menu or option-shift-command-s.

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Still running 10.6.8 on my BigMac and 10.4.11 on my iBook. Totally happy. My colleagues who are prone to installing fresh OS releases (only because that new OS has better support for their iphone or the like) tend to curse an awful lot, as in: iCalendar syncing with iPhone is up - but FCP and PT are down. Haha. I'll only install Lion and beyond when there's no other way out (as in: if i need to buy a new Mac that won't run anything older than that new OS). I can't see any advantage in Lion, I have seen and tried it on other peoples computers and I can't be bothered. Not a bit. Make it fast, make it stable, and don't try to to sell me what is basically a telephone OS. If this trend goes on, my next editing machine will be a Hackintosh. Not for the sake of saving money, but just because I can't see myself shove any more money down a company's throat which has turned into pure evil. My 2p. Sorry for the rant.

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I'll only install Lion and beyond when there's no other way out (as in: if i need to buy a new Mac that won't run anything older than that new OS). I can't see any advantage in Lion, I have seen and tried it on other peoples computers and I can't be bothered

I'm still a little pissed at Apple. I held off upgrading to Lion until just before I "had to" in order to continue using a .Mac account. Then, after the upgrade, Apple tells me that you didn't really have to and that .Mac would still be usable with OSX 10.6...

So now I have some features that I don't really need and didn't really want PLUS I can no longer use my old version of Adobe Illustrator (that only got used a half dozen times a year so it ain't worth paying for the upgrade).

Trailing edge technology. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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I'm still a little pissed at Apple. I held off upgrading to Lion until just before I "had to" in order to continue using a .Mac account. Then, after the upgrade, Apple tells me that you didn't really have to and that .Mac would still be usable with OSX 10.6...

I had many, many people contact me to ask about their MobileMe accounts/email addresses since they did not want to "upgrade" to Lion and after a little bit of very simple research I found about 10 different websites, including Apple's main site, that explained what to do to preserve your .Mac or MobileMe address, etc. Not a big deal.

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When Apple upgrades their OS, do they also upgrade the stock of computers they have for sale in the stores? Or do they just expect you to do the upgrade yourself after you buy it? It's been awhile since I bought a new Mac and I can't remember the drill.

phil p

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All the recent updates have been different in terms of inventory on hand. Apple usually makes it fairly clear what OS is installed (or ships with) on the computer you are about to buy. Depending on the timing, release of the new OS, etc., Apple will include the latest shipping version of the OS even if the computer has an older version on it. All of this is changing rapidly as Apple moves towards all software updates being software downloads (the App Store) with no physical media involved. I did purchase one Mac awhile ago that had Leopard installed on the boot drive but a DVD of Snow Leopard in the box. It won't be done that way anymore, for sure, so it is actually difficult to answer the question since procedures and the update path is changing as I write this.

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When Apple upgrades their OS, do they also upgrade the stock of computers they have for sale in the stores? Or do they just expect you to do the upgrade yourself after you buy it? It's been awhile since I bought a new Mac and I can't remember the drill.

In my experience it's always been Apple's policy to, at least, include an upgrade disk with any computer bought after the release of a new OS. An IMac I bought came with 10.4 installed on the hard drive but had 10.5 in the box.

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I was very displeased with the decades old routine regarding Save and Save As being abandoned. This is one of the most welcome "corrections" for me in Mountain Lion. We will again be able to work with Save and Save As, at least in some familiar form, as we have done for so many years prior to Lion.

+1 yea!!

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I worked at Apple for a few OS launches. I had more than a few people come in upset because they upgraded their machines the first day it was available and their mission critical software wasn't yet compatible. It always seemed as if they didn't have a recent system backup and always had a looming deadline. It was really frustrating for us, because an erase and install was the only way to get them back up and running.

Been there back in my days working for an Apple Specialist... was always hard to break the bad news...

I'll probably upgrade my 2011 MBP when I get the MCE OptiBay and put a second 750GB hard drive in. That way I'll be able to clone the existing 10.7 install to the new drive and then upgrade the clone... will continue with 10.7 as a daily driver while trying out 10.8. My Mac Pro will stay right where it is at 10.6.8... not that it could go to 10.8 anyway(it's an upgraded 1,1)

Used to be a bleeding-edge early adopter but now I wait a little while...

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OK, I just finished a feature with OS 10.5.8 so my current Pro Tools v8.0.1 would continue to work.

Now I am at the point where I want to upgrade, at least to Lion and perhaps (not sure yet) Mountain Lion.

However the catch 22 is that I need Snow Leopard first - but the (online) Apple Store does not sell it? So how can I make the leap.

Incidentally, calling the Apple Store (the Grove) got me NO help what so ever.

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Richard,

Call applecare (1-800-275-2273) and tell them what you want to do. They should send you a copy of snow leopard for the cost of shipping so that you can upgrade. At least, that was the case while I was with the Fruit Store.

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Richard, I still have the Snow Leo disc, which I no longer need. PM me and we can figure something out.

I would be careful with upgrading before reading the compatibility grid on Avid's site , and DUC to make sure that the combo of your Mac model and (Mountain) Lion will work with your version of PT and the interface you are using.

I have installed Mountain Lion on my 2010 MacBook Pro 2.66 i7 (after doing some tests to make sure I wouldn't get burned) and have no issues so far. Running Pro Tools v.9.0.6 and Logic v.9.1.7.

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I purchased a refurb'ed Mac Mini off the Apple webstore for testing here at work, because my only Macs were 2006 vintage. It came with Lion installed, and I had to submit proof of purchase to another one of their webpages to get an unlock code for the Mac App Store, then that let me download Mountain Lion for free.

I had several wtf moments, trying to get the proof of purchase (which was from their webstore) into the other page. It had to be png or jpg format, I ended up screen-shotting the invoice in my browser.

Anyway, no such thing as install media anymore, better get used to having a permanent on, broadband internet connection for anything Apple related.

The up-to-date program has different rules for computers bought before and after the release of the new OS.

Tom.

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