alexis Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Hi I have some serious problem i'm working on a doco about air hostess,lots of the filming r inside the airplanes.... we shot for a day last week and i had poor dialogues with very loud backgrounds the jet's engines are very loud and very wide frequency range!!! i tried some lectrosonics with AUTO NR, but no help Gun MICS were not even an option the only solution i might think of is working with dynamics microphones Please help me Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old school Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Ask them to speak up. Maybe move the mic up higher on the hostess's. The way you are doing it is about the best way I know of. Have you played with the files in Pro Tools over good speakers? The files may not be as bad as you think. CrewC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Visser Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Because much of the noise content you are combating is broadband in nature, it might be a good application for the Izotope ANR-B hardware real-time adaptive signal processor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Reineke Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 I recorded on commercial aircraft (a 737 as I recall @ normal cruising speed and alt) it was noisy yes, but not to the point of being unusable, and it looked and sounded like it was in an aircraft even w/o NR. In addition, HPs can be deceiving when comes to BG noise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisnewton Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Check out "Departure Date" a movie shot for Virgin Airlines on Canon C300s. Don't have the link to it, but i saw the story on Photography Bay Newsletter. It was shot entirely on commercial flights. interesting on many levels. Chris Newton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisnewton Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 the trailer is on Youtube. you can definitely hear the cabin roar, but sounds good. Don't despair Alexis. fight for your tight micing position! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmahaAudio Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Check out "Departure Date" a movie shot for Virgin Airlines on Canon C300s. Don't have the link to it, but i saw the story on Photography Bay Newsletter. It was shot entirely on commercial flights. interesting on many levels. Chris Newton Cool idea. The BTS piece is at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cujo Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Curious ..... Why are shotgun mics not an option ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Lamontagne Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 I know this has been brought up before, though possibly not for this exact situation. I also realize that hiding this ideal solution could probably defeat the advantages of it, but.... How about using the Cos 22 dual microphone, say in a tie, with a dual channel wireless TX/RX setup. Could the two channels be used to phase cancel the ambience to a degree and produce cleaner dialog? Thoughts? Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrd456 Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 If you want to use phase cancelation you want one channel recording dial. and the second channel recording just jet noise,then phase reverse the jet noise channel and combine it gradually with dialogue channel until it's best. It's probably best to phase reverse the jet noise channel while recording--note it also,try to have dial. take place in front of engines. this worked well for me on a presidential campaign. There is also a device that was demoed a cinegear a couple of years ago that would probably get rid of 50% of it.I think this happened at the coffee sound booth. I'd talk to them. J.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrd456 Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 Note: combining the dial. channel and phase reversed jet noise channel is done in post. J.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 " is working with dynamics microphones " why..?"? the noise is what it is, and even shotgun type mic's will pick it up, as it is throughout the cabin, or whatever space you are in... also need to clear wireless with the cockpit crew, and probably with the airline operations folks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engaudio Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 It is what it is... I've worked everywhere from noisy rock concerts to building sites, lost count the number of times if been asked " is that an issue?" when clearly it is and anyway, we're at a fecken' rock concert and they ain't going to stop for us to do a PTC. At least it'll sound like you're on a plane! (they'll probably subtitle it anyway) Grant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Agreed: Tight micing, clear your wireless with the airlines in advance, oh, and watch out for the snakes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPSharman Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Agreed: Tight micing, clear your wireless with the airlines in advance, oh, and watch out for the snakes! MF snakes on the MF plane! Yes. Speaking up is the key. It's not a narrative where a quiet performance might be required creatively, making it very tough. As Crew wrote, it's probably not as bad as you think. The noise will be there regardless of mic used. Just get the mic close and have the subject be loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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