Splendid Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Starting a feature with this camera end of the month. Anyone have any advice with regards timecode etc? We have some test days coming up but would be good to go into them with some idea of how it operates so far thinking Deneke sync box on the camera as experience says Sony is normally no good at holding time. Shame we're not using alexa... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris McCallum Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Did a shoot on the F65 this week. Recorded sound to the camera with double system backup which in the end wasn't requested. Post was happy with sound off the camera. I jammed at the beginning of the day but we only shot until lunch so I didn't get a chance to check drift but all in all it seems like a reasonable beast of a machine. We shot outdoors so noise wasn't an issue but I did notice considerable fan noise after it hears up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splendid Posted September 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Thanks Chris. I believe it has Bnc in for the timecode. Is that correct? Did you jam and leave it running on internal time or leave a lockit attached? Appreciate your help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Did a shoot on the F65 this week. Recorded sound to the camera with double system backup which in the end wasn't requested. Chris, I downloaded and read the F65 manual, and the words "audio" or "sound" do not appear anywhere, nor could I find an audio input. Has this been changed from the manual? (Mine is the 1st edition.) The same manual is still on the Sony Pro website: http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/product-F65RSPAC1/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris McCallum Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 It is the very familiar Sony audio bridge. XLR in and 5 pin or mini out. It only takes analogue - no AES and yes timecode in is BNC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splendid Posted September 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Thanks! Appreciate your time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 It is the very familiar Sony audio bridge. XLR in and 5 pin or mini out. It only takes analogue - no AES and yes timecode in is BNC Wow, you gotta wonder why they completely avoid mentioning audio in the F65 manual! On one of the last pages of the manual, they cite every input/output connector, and audio is still not mentioned. The BNC connector for timecode is there. There is a mysterious connector that says "External I/O - 5-pin Lemo," but that seems to be RS-232. If there is a 5-pin XLR, I can't figure out where it is or how you'd adjust it. (I'm supposed to be taking a class on the F65 in a month -- we'll see if that happens.) There's 27 pages in the Sony F65 manual devoted to rattling off all the GNU Unix operating system license rules, but not a single word in the manual on Audio or Sound! I'm baffled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomboom Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 At least you can see the inputs on the brochure on page 3: http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/assetDownloadController/f65broch.pdf?path=Asset%20Hierarchy$Professional$SEL-yf-generic-281566$SEL-yf-generic-285046SEL-asset-294016.pdf&id=StepID$SEL-asset-294016$original&dimension=original Seems it's on a module you put on the cam. Maybe the info is in this module's manual... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomboom Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Here you go : http://www.pro.sony.eu/pro/lang/en/eu/product/srmaster/sr-r4/overview Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted September 7, 2012 Report Share Posted September 7, 2012 Oh, I get it: it's not on the camera, it's on the "Memory Module." Got it. Basically, it's a box that serves as a recorder on the back of the camera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 " why they completely avoid mentioning audio in the F65 manual! " maybe Sony feels audio (or sound) should really be double system... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 " why they completely avoid mentioning audio in the F65 manual! " maybe Sony feels audio (or sound) should really be double system... I seem to recall reading that, with one of their previous high-end cameras, if someone was shooting for a Sony gig, their job specifications stated that audio must be double-system. Does anyone remember this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 That kind of supports what a Sony rep told me at NAB when I questioned the audio section of one of there hi $$$$$ cameras. I quote "We make cameras, not audio recorders" Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Mills Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 My wife and her friends just worked a tv series all summer for a cable network shot, using both an Epic and an F65 they went completely double system, with sync boxes on the cameras.. No sync issues, BUT... the f65 fan was considered as noisy as the Epic in 35% fan mode.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 " Sony feels audio (or sound) should really be double system.. " Red certainly operates that way, even if they don't say so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 " Sony feels audio (or sound) should really be double system.. " Red certainly operates that way, even if they don't say so. Well, this is one area where I agree with both of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splendid Posted September 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 Just an update on this from me. We've now had two test days with the f65. It's a big camera for sure! The fan does seem noisy compared with an alexa, although not too worrying as still much quieter than a film camera. Will see how that changes in hot interior scenes... The timecode input is on the recording deck that attaches to the back. It is a bnc. We've attached an ambient sync box as don't trust it to hold time on its own but the Sony rep said it would. Having left it without the box on for a while I think it would prob be fine but better safe than sorry. One interesting point is that post said the sound and picture rushes were all consistently 1 frame out of sync. The Sony rep said that was correct and is to do with information processing time. The camera guys set the camera time to 1 frame forward and post seem happy that has sorted it. Simple menu system and everything is pretty normal and straight forward to use. If the fan noise doesn't turn out to be too bad then it seems like a nice camera to work with, so long as its not me heaving it about all day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted September 20, 2012 Report Share Posted September 20, 2012 One interesting point is that post said the sound and picture rushes were all consistently 1 frame out of sync. The Sony rep said that was correct and is to do with information processing time. The camera guys set the camera time to 1 frame forward and post seem happy that has sorted it. I can't believe they would even mention this. If it's consistently 1 frame, then it's not "out of sync" -- it's just an offset, which is not the same thing. One button in the Avid compensates for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splendid Posted September 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2012 Well they did... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 " Well they did... " amateurs... suggest to them that they get over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erkal Taskin Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) Just wanted to check how the shot went after all regarding camera noise? I know it has been some years but in case anyone wants to chip in. I have a long feature coming up with 2 of these so is there anything else I need to look out for? Thanks ps. What kind of input is that "audio module" can it handle Mic? Edited June 11, 2015 by Erkal Taskin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanpeds Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Just wanted to check how the shot went after all regarding camera noise? I know it has been some years but in case anyone wants to chip in. I have a long feature coming up with 2 of these so is there anything else I need to look out for? Thanks ps. What kind of input is that "audio module" can it handle Mic? The recorder module will take both line and mic levels. It has 2 XLR connectors. You set all of the timecode and audio settings on the recorder module. The camera isn't the quietest camera. If you are filming quiet interiors you will hear it running. Unfortunately there isn't a fan off in record mode option. I think it has 3 or 4 fan speed options. We usually use Auto 1 I think. Can't remember what the difference is between auto 1 and auto 2. Basically the fan stays low until it needs to spin faster to cool under warm/hot conditions. You may be able to build some sort of "blimp" or fan noise deflector to help reduce the fan noise during those quiet interiors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erkal Taskin Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Thanks for the tips Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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