Soundwil Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I'm really sorry to ask a very similar question that has been asked here before but having read all the relevant topics and posts I am non the wiser. I'm here in Cardiff, UK and working with an American company coming here to shoot on a few 7Ds for the US market. I will be using a 552 with a Lockit (ACL 202CT) providing TC input, jammed to an Ambient (ACD 301) slate. After repeatedly asking what frame rate they want me to record the audio at or telling me what the cameras are doing they haven't provided me with an answers (cheers guys I think to myself). So my question is: given the lack of info provided, what TC rate would you US guys default to? I understand that if they decide after the event that they need a different TC frame rate than I initially recorded at I can batch convert in WaveAgent but would like to stand a chance of getting it right the first time. I'm torn between 29.97 ND and 23.98 or maybe 24 (aarhhh). Your best guess would be much appreciated. Thanks, Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent R. Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 huh? Are you already shooting or you have to start shooting yet? If the latter, just look at the settings yourself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soundwil Posted September 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Shooting tomorrow. The lockit and TC slate are a bit fiddly to set (dip switches) so I want to be ahead of the game and not fumbling about first thing in the morning. Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Gilbert Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Roll at whatever you like, it'll make no difference what so ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soundwil Posted September 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Jon, So I could run at 25fps as I normally do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Gilbert Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 If all you're doing is using the slate to visually sync the 7Ds, yeah, (and I'm not sure what else you might be doing) it'll be fine whatever you choose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soundwil Posted September 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Thanks Jon. That makes sense. Cheers, Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) " if they decide after the event that they need a different TC frame rate than I initially recorded at I can batch convert in WaveAgent " if they decide after the event that they need a different TC frame rate than I initially recorded at they can batch convert in WaveAgent 7D's don't do SMPTE/EBU TC. 25 will be fine.... but if they specify they are shooting at a different rate, I'd match it Edited September 11, 2012 by studiomprd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soundwil Posted September 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 That also makes sense Senator. Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent R. Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 And for your info: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soundwil Posted September 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Vincent, Very handy, thanks. Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 If it's for the U.S. market, I'd be very surprised if it were anything but 23.98. There are still reality shows shooting 29.97 (non-drop), and I have encountered one show shooting 29.97 drop (which was surprising). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyB Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 No time code into the 7d, so let it fly. Run TOD and give them a slate if they pay for one, and they can get a few frames of TC running on the slate to give them a reference point. Otherwise, its a free for all. If no TC slate, just run a hop for reference to the camera. They will most likely sync it with Plural Eyes in post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 I guess I disagree--if you are working for a show that will be posted in the USA, the cameras will be rolling at 23.98 or 29.97, so I'd pick from one of those two. The shooters can check the frame rate of their cams in the menus. You rolling at 25 and them rolling at 23.98 or 29.97 can work out ok, but it can also trip things up in post if you aren't at the project frame rate and they don't realize it. If you do roll 25 I'd be sure to send some notes along as well as a voice slate that that's what you did. Are you using a TC slate for this job? phil p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 No time code into the 7d, so let it fly. Run TOD and give them a slate if they pay for one, and they can get a few frames of TC running on the slate to give them a reference point. Otherwise, its a free for all. If no TC slate, just run a hop for reference to the camera. They will most likely sync it with Plural Eyes in post. Exactly what Andy said. Every 5/7d shoot I've done has been recorded on a Fostex FR2LE with no tc abilitys. Sometimes there is a wireless hop & sometimes it's just the camera mic with or with out a dumb slate. Every one has locked up perfectly wih pluraleyes or whatever program they use for syncing. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelo Waldron Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 ^^^ YES. I have also used the FR2LE with TMF cameras without TC. Sync was fine. Also used it with Suber16 and they told me sync was perfect in FCP after telecine.. go figure. So I say, when cam has no TC, record with no TC recorder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Exactly what Andy said. Every 5/7d shoot I've done has been recorded on a Fostex FR2LE with no tc abilitys. Sometimes there is a wireless hop & sometimes it's just the camera mic with or with out a dumb slate. Every one has locked up perfectly wih pluraleyes or whatever program they use for syncing. Eric Right. But he asked what TC frame rate, so if he IS going to do TC (because he was using a TC slate that maybe they asked for), then it would be a good idea to match the camera frame rate. I do 5D/7D shoots all the time--and every one has asked for TC and a a TC slate. Probably most of them don't actually use the TC in syncing--just the clap and the scratch track, but if TC is part of the spec (which it often is) then better make sure the frame rate is correct. phil p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Gilbert Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 I think the slate is a luxury here, but if they're willing to pay for it, let 'em have it. On 5D and 7D stuff I shoot, unless specifically asked for a frame rate (and that's usually when shooting with a mix of 'proper' cameras and DSLRs) I run 25fps as that's my default setting, usually leaving Pluraleyes to do the hard work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccsnd Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 23.976 is what my experience has been. If you have a way to select that without having to use external code, do it. If not, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soundwil Posted September 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 Ok. Did the first day today. Directors email server had been down thus no answer on the tc until the morning. I'd set up TC slate and lockit (that was feeding 552) at 25fps. Turns out they were going to shoot at 23.97. Decided to just leave them at 25fps and I converted today's rushes in Wave Agent to 23.97fps. Have reset Slate and Lockit to 23.97fps for tomorrow. Simples. I emailed Sound Devices years ago to thank them for Wave Agent as it's has helped in these kind of situations many times before. Thee client had requested a TC slate so I felt obliged to at least try and match their frame rate for post. Thanks all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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