Carl Carden Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 What we have to look forward to. http://www.red.com/learn/product-demos/meizler-module Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Miramontes Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Those are some great improvements. Now how about a fan that doesn't sound like a turbine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 I don't really want to use their TC app, and I don't really want their module thing on my cart and certainly not in my bag. So here's another iPad-based method for TC and notes etc, that assumes that everyone will be on their system. Is it compato with MovieSlate? Does it talk to the Ambient system? Zaxnet? phil p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmahaAudio Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Why is he wearing his baseball cap backwards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olle Sjostrom Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 So... They're bashing on their previous products cus they required a load of cables? How's that for mocking customers... And.. I listened to this on my iPhone speakers, didn't notice any fans at all, but that epic sure was running.. Is that a miracle or just a very special red? I don't know. This video basically told me "we're red and we released a new module that is really what you originally wanted and now your other rigs look stupid". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundtrane Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Red does not think so much about sono... or those who do the thinking out there in that company are all fans of sCilent cimena... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Tresch Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Hello, They are ways for working with the Epic/Scarlet in fairly quiet way, all you need is a bit of "work around"... ;-) The "Rehearsal mode" : http://www.reduser.n...l=1#post1036637 The "FanPlate" : Have a nice shooting. Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 reminder, they are a computer company trying to make a movie camera; thus, they do not bring movie history, traditions, or sensibilities to the table, or to their designs, or products.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Tresch Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Euh... I thought they where a handle company? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VASI Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 I don't have experience with RED cameras but for the sound I think the maximum cables is three. One for timecode, two for audio. RED maybe believe all of us we are idiots (included camera op). The Future is Modular say Tyler Wade but not is this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 No, the Epic can "theoretically" do 4 channels, though I don't know a lot of people who've tried it. I'm disappointed that they still haven't addressed the 3.5mm inputs for Channels 1 & 2, which I think are embarrassing for a $40,000 "pro" camera. Note also that the Meizler Module costs $12,000 and essentially adds the ability for the camera to capture 4K/5K RAW images and a lower-res copy (DNxHD, ProRes, etc.) for offline editing, as well as XLRs for Channel 3 and 4 only, extra video outputs, wireless video transmitter, and a wireless camera hop receiver (using an as-yet undisclosed protocol). It's fair to say a lot is up in the air on the module, since it's not shipping yet. It's clear to me that they're adding the Meizler Module to meet or beat the Alexa's features, since that camera's recordings can immediately go right into the workflow pipeline without conversion for editing. Many, many TV shows are going this route simply to save time. The shows I see shot on Alexa look dynamite, despite much grousing by some Red users. I think both Red and Arri's cameras can make great pictures, provided the DP knows what he or she is doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundslikejustin Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 No, the Epic can "theoretically" do 4 channels, though I don't know a lot of people who've tried it. I'm disappointed that they still haven't addressed the 3.5mm inputs for Channels 1 & 2, which I think are embarrassing for a $40,000 "pro" camera. Note also that the Meizler Module costs $12,000 and essentially adds the ability for the camera to capture 4K/5K RAW images and a lower-res copy (DNxHD, ProRes, etc.) for offline editing, as well as XLRs for Channel 3 and 4 only, extra video outputs, wireless video transmitter, and a wireless camera hop receiver (using an as-yet undisclosed protocol). It's fair to say a lot is up in the air on the module, since it's not shipping yet. The Meizler Module doesn't have XLR's on it. That's the Pro I/O. The audio I/O(?) on the Meizler Module looks to be a 5-pin Lemo. Awesome </sarcasm>. There also seems to be a BNC for timecode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpiegari Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 I have to put a RedSync module in my bag?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundslikejustin Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 I have to put a RedSync module in my bag?! As long as we don't have to BUY it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpiegari Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 From Red sight: REDsync Master - $2900 Weight: Aprox. 1lb Features: RF ISM Band Transceiver 865MHz/915Mhz for wireless audio and timecode Deliver audio stream to multiple devices 802.11b Transceiver Receive and deliver timecode and metadata to multiple devices Able to connect up to 14 devices Supported FPS modes: 23.98, 24, 25, 29.97, 30, 29.97DF, 30DF. Output sync modes: PAL, NTSC, 720p, 720p double frame, 1080i, 1080p, 1080i double frame, 1080p double frame V Sync and H Sync Output to Camera Timecode Output to Camera Timecode output to audio recorder 2 channel guide audio input for RF datalink distribution to camera(s) and other devices Interface to iPad, iPhone & iTouch apps Physical Interfaces: External Power Timecode input Timecode output Output Video Sync 48Khz 16bit audio input Internal Power: 2 x ‘AA’ batteries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 The Meizler Module doesn't have XLR's on it. That's the Pro I/O. The audio I/O(?) on the Meizler Module looks to be a 5-pin Lemo. Awesome </sarcasm>. There also seems to be a BNC for timecode. Pardon me -- you're absolutely right. In fact, I'm not sure if you can stack the Pro I/O and the Meizler Module together or not. That'd be a very long camera, even longer than the Arri Alexa. I think there's a separate discussion elsewhere on the Red Epic Pro I/O module, with an early prototype picture I grabbed. RF ISM Band Transceiver 865MHz/915Mhz for wireless audio and timecode 802.11b Transceiver It's Wi-Fi? Gee, I expected something a little more robust. I hope this will work... I'd like to know what they're going to charge for additional receivers. I'd hate to have to spend $2900 each for the sound department, for a slate, for the script supervisor, and for the Video Assist. It seems to me that Time Code Buddy is a much lower cost system (which admittedly doesn't do as much). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Tresch Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 I don't have experience with RED cameras but for the sound I think the maximum cables is three. One for timecode, two for audio. RED maybe believe all of us we are idiots (included camera op). The Meizler is not only for sound. http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?85218-The-Meizler-Module-The-Details&highlight=meizler You have more cables if you do Wireless Focus/zoom/iris/HDSDI video out (or use a camwave)/ TC / and record sound to it. @ Marc it doesn't record 4k QT. From Jarred: I can't tell you all the formats, (except for H.264 and DNxHD) .. but I can tell you some resolutions.. 720p - 4:2:2 @ 24 & 60fps 1080p - 4:2:2 @ 24 & 60 fps 2k - 4:2:2 @ 24 & 60fps 2k 4:4:4 will become enabled early 2013. Here for the synch possibilities: Switch from internal or external timecode Internal timecode – Receive wireless timecode from REDsync Master (optional purchase) External timecode – Receive timecode signal from an external source (i.e Lockit, Denecke and etc) via a BNC and genlock is produced internally The Meizler is a great add on. If you don't like it, don't care so much about it. Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 " a wireless camera hop receiver (using an as-yet undisclosed protocol). " their own, aka proprietary. " RF ISM Band Transceiver 865MHz/915Mhz for wireless audio and timecode Deliver audio stream to multiple devices " (this is not WiFi) " 802.11b Transceiver Receive and deliver timecode and metadata to multiple devices " this is WiFi, and appears to be a separate transceiver, as it is also a different freq. band. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpiegari Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 I also love that they are making fun of themselves in the video with all that cabling on a 'working' camera. The solution? Simply show another camera not ready to shoot without anything plugged into it and just talk about about all the stuff it might be able to do... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Orusa Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 Why is he wearing his baseball cap backwards? This Did anyone else have a hard time distinguishing the camera and accessories from the background. For a camera company you'd think they would know how to not crush the blacks. Mark O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Tresch Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 Mark you are right. I also had a bad time to see something... They love to underlight black stuff with black background. But I think this video was too underexposed and they didn't want to push more the blacks. It's allready grainy... Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miles Anderson Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 the photo of the front says there are still 1/8" inputs... http://www.red.com/store/products/meizler-module Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Did anyone else have a hard time distinguishing the camera and accessories from the background. For a camera company you'd think they would know how to not crush the blacks. All they need is a little backlight to add some separation between the foreground and background. I hate when people don't do this. Lighting 101. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastermixaudiomedia Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 This Did anyone else have a hard time distinguishing the camera and accessories from the background. For a camera company you'd think they would know how to not crush the blacks. +1 I guess they were going for a "look"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 " I guess they were going for a "look"... " and I guess they haven't got a clue! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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