roundbadge Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 We just found out tomorrows shoot requires getting sound in a 300 degree fire training facility. likekly wiring the fire suits / helmets. maybe a small mic on camera? only actors and DP allowed in the room.the dp will be wearing a fire suit along with the firemen actors in the scene. likely lots of wind and heat in there anyone here have any experience with this scenario? any help would be greatly appreciated as its only 12 hours away and zero time to prep..HC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominiquegreffard Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Ouh man that s a tough one.. The only thing i d dare to do would be to put a lav inside the fireman's helmet. And keep the pack very tucked in. I don t know how the wireless transmission will interact with the thick jacket s special fireproof fabric though. Also i d protect pack from sweat in a condom or ziplock. One thing for sure is that I d never put one of my mic on a camera at 300 degrees! It should cause serious damage. I don t know what s their plan to protect the actual camera anyway.. I bet they re gonna send in gopros or something.. Remember that we won t see any lips moving because of the helmets so u can always cheat afterward if things go wrong with the wireless inthere.. Good luck and let us know how it went Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason porter Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 If you have a disposable lav, use it. Any wind protection will probably catch fire, unless it is buried under the heavy, sound-blocking fireproof gear. This is the reason foley exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roundbadge Posted October 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 If you have a disposable lav, use it. Any wind protection will probably catch fire, unless it is buried under the heavy, sound-blocking fireproof gear. This is the reason foley exists. yeah it's likely going to be a "get what we get" scenario. I've got some of the old lectro lavs in the kit for destructo type scenarios. I'm def not putting 2k Schoeps setups in there lol. we'll see ..it might end up MOS any minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roundbadge Posted October 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Ouh man that s a tough one.. The only thing i d dare to do would be to put a lav inside the fireman's helmet. And keep the pack very tucked in. I don t know how the wireless transmission will interact with the thick jacket s special fireproof fabric though. Also i d protect pack from sweat in a condom or ziplock. One thing for sure is that I d never put one of my mic on a camera at 300 degrees! It should cause serious damage. I don t know what s their plan to protect the actual camera anyway.. I bet they re gonna send in gopros or something.. Remember that we won t see any lips moving because of the helmets so u can always cheat afterward if things go wrong with the wireless inthere.. Good luck and let us know how it went thanks Dominique. its an Alexa in some fireproof wrap. speaking w/ Prod,Dir,AD it's likely heading towards MOS as I type. I'm always down for a good mic'ing challenge but I'd rather not L&D any gear on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason porter Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 I'd like to send in a small flash recorder with an M-150 just to see what I got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Ostroff Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Have no idea but do fireman wear communication gear? Would have to assume they'd have to in situations like that to communicate with each other, dispatch? Maybe tap into that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Rose Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Don't forget, that fire or artificial wind is gonna be noisy as well. (The scenes like that I've posted, there was no need for foley... you'd never hear the movements anyway. Maybe a stinger or two to help sell the scene, but that's it.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted October 24, 2012 Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 " fireman wear communication gear? " yes, special gear, specifically built and rated, and protected. maybe you could get a feed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roundbadge Posted October 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 " fireman wear communication gear? " yes, special gear, specifically built and rated, and protected. maybe you could get a feed... Yes.Looking into the suit setup now:make my own tap via marrying tf5 mini / lectro cable to helmet comm, bury an smqv in the fabric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shastapete Posted October 26, 2012 Report Share Posted October 26, 2012 I used to be a volunteer firefighter. My department didn't have any communication gear that would survive interior firefighting. We used hand signals and the buddy system and relied on our training. Hell, it was hard enough to talk with all the gear on and the respirator running Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattinSTL Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Damn... I wish I'd seen this thread sooner. I've been a volunteer FF for 4 years. There are a LOT of ways you could get great audio in a non-life-threatening scenario such as this. The FF "wardrobe" (aka "turn-out gear") is normal clothes under pants that have suspenders... then jacket (or SCBA... the breathing app).. then the nomex hood... which is like a ski-hood... fits CLOSE... but not tight... then jacket.... and finally helmet and gloves. If you had a Countryman B6 you could EASILY run that into the breathing space of an SCBA and still have a seal. I'd go over the ear and just have it sticking out next to, but behind, an eye (pick a side). If the mic is under... i.e. INSIDE of... the nomex hood... and the wireless mic pack is in an internal pocket of the jacket... you're ALL GOOD... nothing is getting exposed to smoke or heat. No worries.... and an awesome studio quality dialog from that FF. Jeez... it couldn't be any simpler... and virtually no risk to any of your gear. The audio would kick-ass too... with the breathing sounds and the confined dialog (probably set the Tx lower as it will be like talking into a bucket with a lav at the bottom... i.e. "pick-up" will not be a problem. You wouldn't want the mic too close down near the mouth because that's where the air-movement is from the SCBA (which is constantly pressurized... i.e. it's made to push air non-stop... so when the FF breaths in, it's a pretty big "PSSSSHHHHHP" each time.) But the SAFEST thing to do... would be miking the radios from a distance... i.e. get your own radio... set it on command ch D (or whatever they're using... then mic all that and fill in the gaps with nat sound). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego Sanchez Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Careful with wind covers, they can end up like this one from The Dark Night Rises sound crew (photo from Sound & Picture Magazine) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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