nika paniashvili Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 yet another question to seniors: Im mixing a feature now and for the first time Im using the cl-9 controller (used cl-8 on previous jobs). yesterday I had a very dynamic scene to mix, going from very low whispers to very loud yelling. While it was fine with my mix track where I ride the gain with faders I had problems with the trim gain hitting the limiter. I couldn't understand the logic behind the rotary encoders behavior If I twist the knob very fast values change very slowly (6.5,6.3, 6.2, 6.1,.6.0) and if I turn it slower its just random (6.0, 2.3,-14.7) sometimes it just skips 15 to 20 dbs. Im running version 2.18. should I upgrade? downgrade? re-install the current firmware? leave the trims very low and safe for this kind of scenes (barely hitting -40 mark on meters) or should I just get over it? PS my boom op was doing a good job moving the boom further and closer according to the acting but still ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 They did this by design: turn the trim knobs fast, it makes a big change; turn the knobs slowly, it makes a subtle change. Set the trim values prior to the scene, and ride the gain during the scene with the linear faders. It has been suggested to SD that they make the trim pots linear 100% of the time -- even as an option -- but it hasn't yet been done, to my knowledge. Check the SD Forum for more info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundslikejustin Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 They did this by design: turn the trim knobs fast, it makes a big change; turn the knobs slowly, it makes a subtle change. Set the trim values prior to the scene, and ride the gain during the scene with the linear faders. It has been suggested to SD that they make the trim pots linear 100% of the time -- even as an option -- but it hasn't yet been done, to my knowledge. Check the SD Forum for more info. Marc, Nika is saying that the exact opposite is happening. Fast movement causes very small, subtle changes. Is there a point that you can turn the trims so fast that it registers as a slow turn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nika paniashvili Posted October 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 yep its the opposite: with very fast movements the values change in tenths of the units (db's) and with slower movements the changes are quite unpredictable. VERY slow movements are much like fast movements but most of the time one would need something in between. not having the linear control is a fail. anyway, I'm gonna re install the firmware and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 That's possible -- I only used a CL-9 once over a weekend project, and I know the trim pots were speed-sensitive but honestly can't remember it it was fast/fine or fast/coarse. I know for a fact this issue has been discussed on the SD Forum, as noted above. Me personally, I wish they could just make that a menu item: Input Trim - linear response / non-linear response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Bacon AMPS Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Me personally, I wish they could just make that a menu item: Input Trim - linear response / non-linear response. I was considering selling my Audio Developments 8 channel analogue mixer and replace it with a CL-9 to give me more space on my cart as well as lower my battery requirements. However, after hearing this I'll wait a bit longer. I would have expected the dials on the 788T to be linear. I think SD should certainly consider this software upgrade (along with sorting the track names alphabetically - but that is a discussion for another thread). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nika paniashvili Posted October 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 strangely enough this problem is most obvious when encoders are in input trim mode. in output mode they seem to behave normally. I wish they could just make that a menu item: Input Trim - linear response / non-linear response. +111 on than! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPSharman Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 I can't see any reason why the gain response should be variable. It should absolutely be user selectable, because I would set it to always behave as an analog trim pot would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sound Grab Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Shhhh.. the firmware department is working on the 664. But seriously, we've been asking for 'tougher' track arming and disarming on the CL-9 and a linear response on the trim knobs for months now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 " we've been asking for... " SD has their own users' forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sound Grab Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 " we've been asking for... " SD has their own users' forum Thanks.. knew that already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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